On Thu, 2020-04-02 at 13:15 -0700, Julia Kreger wrote:
I believe it is ultimately up to the active contributors to the project as a whole in terms of splitting, and I guess that should be put to a vote at some point. Last time we polled among the cores about a ?year? ago upon revisiting an ask for us to consider working towards becoming a top level project, it was 50/50. Given everyone's comments, I'm fairly sure there would not be agreement to move forward.
I wholeheartily agree with the fact it's up to the active contributors. I just hope that if/when the move is done, it's a positive effort, and everyone had the required elements to decide. I can't tell for the other answers in this thread, but for me, I want to ask the difficult questions to make sure we have done everything that's right :) Let me rephrase that: If the Ironic community wants to split, let it be! I am not against the split by itself. I won't ask to stay if everybody wants to leave the boat. My intent is not to be a warden, because OpenStack isn't a prison :) I just love playing Devil's advocate. In this case, I am particularily interested, because I just genuinely care, and I am trying to think at the ecosystem level, not only at a project level. I try to understand how I can help Ironic grow, while helping the other projects too. I hope I am not the only one responding with that kind of view. It seems ironic has a few ideas on how to improve its standalone identity forward that doesn't seem needing to split out of OpenStack... I am just questioning whether the split out needs to happen now, or maybe phased afterwards.
Maybe out of this, as a community, we could have a serious discussion of perceptions and headaches, but given our tendency to try and create process and tools for issues that are fundamentally related to humans... I am unsure.
That's totally fair. I think we need to simplify openstack futher. Be the bazaar, not the Cathedral. Regards, JP