On Wed, 2019-10-09 at 12:04 +0200, Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:31 AM Thomas Goirand zigo@debian.org wrote:
On 10/1/19 12:05 PM, Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:47 PM Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org mailto:zigo@debian.org> wrote:
On 9/26/19 9:51 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: >> I know we'd like to have everyone CD'ing master > > Watch who you're lumping in with the "we" statement. ;) You've pinpointed what the problem is. Everyone but OpenStack upstream would like to stop having to upgrade every 6 months.
im not sure that is true. i think if upgrades where as easy as a yum update or apt upgrade people would not mind 6 month or shorter upgrade cycle but even though tooling has imporoved we are a long way from upgrades being trivial.
Yep, but the same "everyone" want to have features now or better yesterday, not in 2-3 years ;)
yes and this is a double edge sword in more ways then one. we have a large proportion of our customer base that are only now upgrading to queens from Newton. so they are already running a 2-3 year out of date openstack and when they upgrade they would also like all the features that were only added in train backported to Queens which is our current LTS donwstream.
Our internal data on deployments more or less shows that most non lts releases downstream are ignored by larger customers createing a pressure to backport features that we cant resonably do given our current tooling and desire to not create a large fork.
This probably was the case a few years ago, when OpenStack was young. Now that it has matured, and has all the needed features, things have changed a lot.
i dont think it has. i think many of the need feature are now avaiable in master although looking at our downstream back log there are also a lot of feature that are not avilable. the issue is that because upgrading has been so painful for many for so long they are not willing in many case to go to the latest release. maybe in another 2 years time this statement will be more correct as the majority of clouds will be running stien+(i hope).
This is still the case often enough in my world. IPv6 comes to mind as an example.
Thomas