On 2020-04-08 10:04:25 +0200 (+0200), Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 4:37 PM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
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> > Why *can't* OpenShift include OpenStack projects? I haven't seen
> > this adequately explained.
>
> It's less of a technical issue, but more of misunderstanding that
> including an OpenStack project does not involve literally
> installing OpenStack. And no matter what we think, for a lot of
> people OpenStack==Nova (another marketing issue to address?).
[...]
I don't understand why that would make a difference in this case,
unless you're saying that the people who make architectural
decisions about what's included in OpenShift have no actual
familiarity with Ironic and OpenStack. If you know anyone who works
at that company, can you help them understand the difference?
Let's de-focus on OpenShift please. People who just need a bare metal management solution don't need to understand what OpenStack is. What would they assume from a quick search? The first link I've got by googling in a private window is our web site with:
OpenStack software controls large pools of compute, storage, and networking resources throughout a datacenter, managed through a dashboard or via the OpenStack API. OpenStack works with popular enterprise and open source technologies making it ideal for heterogeneous infrastructure.
Is it so unexpected they assume Ironic needs virtual machines to operate?
> On one hand, large distributions want us to have stable branches
> every year or two. Even what we have is too much.
>
> On the other - we have small consumers who could benefit from just
> pulling the latest(ish) release and knowing that if a serous bug
> is found there, they won't have to update to the next feature (and
> potentially major) release.
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This sounds like a problem shared by, well, basically every other
project in OpenStack too. Perhaps it's an opportunity to collaborate
on finding solutions.
+1000 although I'm not sure if all projects are interested in intermediate releases. Given how many follow the cycle-with-rc model, I doubt it.
Dmitry
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Jeremy Stanley