On 9/14/20 10:17 AM, Gaël THEROND wrote:
Hi everyone,
So, thomas, your message was rude and can hurt because Yocto didn’t suggested to use those tools, he was answering you that he feel the pain as everyone is suggesting those tool when you talk with people on IRC etc.
Sorry if it was perceived as rude. Though IMO Yocto *was* suggesting these tools, at least that's my perception in his message.
Even if I do understand your point and know the importance of being autonomous and do not rely on non-FLOSS software, the thruth being all those discussions is the pain in the ass that it is to contribute to Openstack projects compared with other Open source software based on Github or Github like workflow.
If it's harder to contribute to OpenStack, IMO, it's not because of the tooling (ie: gerrit + git-review), but because the bar for patch quality is set much higher. Otherwise, I did find the git-review workflow much nicer than the one of Gitlab / Github.
The opensource community and especially the Openstack one need to understand that people really get a limited amount of time and so if you want to attract more people your contribution process have to be streamlined and on par with what most of us developers do experience on everyday.
I very much agree that getting a patch accepted isn't easy. I gave up about some patches because core reviewer were asking for too much work that I cannot unfortunately provide (I understand why they do that though). Though this never was because of the infrastructure, which I find much nicer than any other.
We want a fully floss project to host it? Fine it’s perfectly valid argument, then just reuse what’s already there with gitea and redirect development effort of the abandonned software to the new platform in order to support the missing part if ever required!
This is IMO a much nicer idea than suggesting to go back to Launchpad, or stop migrating to Storyboard. Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)