I see we are talking about another "Gnocchi", when Gnocchi moved out of
OpenStack, people said they could run Gnocchi in standalone mode without
installing the other OpenStack services, then they changed default
dependency of some other projects (Ceilometer, Panko, etc) to Gnocchi.
As a result, they are all dead (or almost dead).
I'd be very careful comparing Ironic to Gnocchi/Telemetry. I think the fate that Telemetry met was largely due to staffing problems, more specifically, all large contributors pulling away from it. It would end up the same inside or outside of OpenStack.
Another example is a long time ago in one OpenStack project, there was a
demand for secret management, people said, Barbican is not mature and
not production ready yet, we shouldn't dependent on Barbican but could
make it optional, as a result, Barbican never adopted in the project in
real deployment.
I don't know much about the Barbican situation, but there may be other explanations. Some operators are against deploying any new service unless absolutely necessary, because any new service is a maintenance burden.
At the Denver PTG we were talking about non-Keystone authentication in Ironic. Keystone is arguably very trivial to install, and still it meets some resistance.
I have been involved in OpenStack community since 2013, I see people
came and left, I see projects created and died, until now, there are
only a few of projects alive and actively maintained. IMHO, as a
community, we should try our best to integrate projects with each other,
no project can live well without some others help， projects rarely
stand or fall alone.
To be clear, my proposal does not affect this. Specifically:
1) I don't suggest reducing the number of integration points.
2) Integration points with OpenStack services are already optional in Ironic.
What exactly is your concern? Ironic dropping integration points altogether? We don't plan on that.
Dmitry
Well, I'm not part of TC, I'm not the person or team can decide how
Ironic project goes in this situation. But as a developer who is trying
very hard to maintain several OpenStack projects, that what I'm
thinking.
My 0.02.
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Best regards,
Lingxian Kong
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