I came to this thread late, but I'm very glad for the clarity brought to the discussion. Yes, yes, yes, leave this in openstack. Yes, operators wrote/write/will write OpenStack (but yes, also, there are full-time devels that never run an openstack for others. I'm not sure anyone is arguing against that.) Yes, this occurred well before the emergence of SIGs and maybe that ownership question is a valid concern. Who has commit/+2 rights to this repo once it exists (again). I don't have a stake in this game but maybe there should be a poll somewhere originating in openstack.org that goes out and queries anyone registered with openstack.org to find out if a) they are still involved b) if they self identify as an operator c) if they self identify are they interested in joining a SIG focused on ops. OpenStack operators are already having some trouble reaching/contacting/keeping involved other operators. Anything we can do to unite in force will be a good thing. -dave "med" medberry