I see we are talking about another "Gnocchi", when Gnocchi moved out of OpenStack, people said they could run Gnocchi in standalone mode without installing the other OpenStack services, then they changed default dependency of some other projects (Ceilometer, Panko, etc) to Gnocchi. As a result, they are all dead (or almost dead). Another example is a long time ago in one OpenStack project, there was a demand for secret management, people said, Barbican is not mature and not production ready yet, we shouldn't dependent on Barbican but could make it optional, as a result, Barbican never adopted in the project in real deployment. I have been involved in OpenStack community since 2013, I see people came and left, I see projects created and died, until now, there are only a few of projects alive and actively maintained. IMHO, as a community, we should try our best to integrate projects with each other, no project can live well without some others help， projects rarely stand or fall alone. Well, I'm not part of TC, I'm not the person or team can decide how Ironic project goes in this situation. But as a developer who is trying very hard to maintain several OpenStack projects, that what I'm thinking. My 0.02. - Best regards, Lingxian Kong Catalyst Cloud