On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:00 PM David Peacock <dpeacock@redhat.com> wrote:
It's worth highlighting that OFTC doesn't support SASL, and also many major FOSS projects have bet the farm on Libera. Do we want to be OFTC just because, or do we want to go where all the major projects have gone?
David
Correct me if I am wrong but from https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-irc the conscensus was to use OFTC
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:47 AM Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com> wrote:
I looked over libera chat's tweet stream (https://twitter.com/liberachat/with_replies), from the retweets there seems to be a clear pattern of groups who dislike what's happening over at freenode jumping predominantly to libera. Perhaps that's the right thing for openstack too (I had previously said let's go to OFTC since Jeremy has done some prep work), but let's go somewhere other than fn stat
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:29 AM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 7:09 AM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
On 2021-05-21 14:14:30 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2021-05-21 12:36:29 +0100 (+0100), Erno Kuvaja wrote: [...]
Looking at the movement over the past day, it seems like we're the only hesitant party here. Rest of the communities have either moved to libera.chat or OFTC. I'd strongly advise us to do the same before things turn sour.
OpenStack isn't the only community taking a careful and measured approach to the decision. Ansible deferred deciding what to do about their IRC channels until Wednesday of this coming week:
https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/19
In a similar vein, I've noticed that #python, #python-dev, #pypa and so on haven't moved off Freenode yet, though the topic in #python suggests there's some ongoing discussion to determine whether they should. Unfortunately it doesn't say where that's being discussed though, maybe on the Python community mailing lists or Discourse, however cursory searches I've performed turn up nothing. -- Jeremy Stanley
I suspect they, like everyone else who has seen some of the latest rules changes[0] and a report[1] of abuses of power, are looking at treading lightly in order to do the best thing for their community. I suspect we're going to see a mass migration to other platforms or tools, regardless at this point in time. The rules changes are just going to make it more difficult to keep the existing channels as redirects.
I firmly believe this is no longer a matter of should, but we now have an imperative to ensure community communication continuity. If the higher level project doesn't wish to come to quick consensus, then I believe individual projects will make their own decisions and we'll end up fragmenting the communication channels until things settle down.
[0]: https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/pull/513/commits/2037126831a84c57f978268... [1]: https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
-- Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com>