On 2021-05-20 21:58:52 +0200 (+0200), Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 9:41 PM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
[...]
> > It seems, from what little I've read, that Matrix servers can
> > integrate with IRC server networks and bridge channels fairly
> > seamlessly. If there were a Matrix bridge providing access to the
> > same channels as people were participating in via IRC (wherever that
> > happened to be), would that address your concerns?
>
> Not quite. It would probably solve the issues *for me*, but I've already
> solved most of my issues. If we still say "our official communication
> channel is IRC", that's what people will (try to) use.
>
> If we do get an easy "hey, press this button to talk to ironic folks", it
> may change my mind though. Right now it seems to be IRCCloud, but I'm a bit
> uneasy about recommending everyone to go through some private service,
> especially about putting something like that in our contributor's guide.
Well, I guess what I'm asking is, if there were a Matrix bridge for
the #openstack-ironic IRC channel, would that be sufficient for
Ironic to be able to update its documentation with an "easy button"
pointed at Matrix instead of IRC, and connect new users on Matrix
with traditional IRC users for discussion?
Probably yes, assuming we can integrate Matrix with NickServ or drop the NickServ requirement.
Great, so now when we have established that Ironic can point to matrix, slack or whatever the current IM buzzword is (oh wait, that's right slack killed their IRC bridge after reaching the critical mass, fortunately that can't happen to any of the others 'cause how confusing that would be for the new contributors). Can we please focus on the issue at the hand and do something about the network change? I'd be still pro for libera but looks like OFTC would be just fine too (expect some nick changes 'though).
That bloody newcomers with their buzzwords, should we just forget about them? Maybe have a bot that asks a tricky git question on join and bans whoever cannot respond to it?
Seriously, the attitude in this thread is disturbing. FOSS is no longer an realm of bearded dudes with messy hair (hey, I only have messy hair!). People matter. People who cannot install an IRC bouncer matter. People who are too busy to play with our favourite toys matter. Such a small thing as "how easy it is to talk to them" can be a deciding factor between us and not-us.
I'm fine with focusing on the issue at hand, but I'm not fine pretending that we're not explicitly exclusive with our choice of tools. Necessarily so in case of gerrit, purely by choice in case of IRC.
Dmitry
- jokke
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