Well, we already have a problem: ruined trust from the participants. We've had people explicitly voicing their undesire to use freenode any longer.
I am one of these people. OpenStack channels remain the only place I exist on Freenode, and I'm giving the community a short grace period to migrate, or else I'll be forced to stop using IRC as a communication method. As we have many folks in our community who are invested in free software and the communities around them, I can't imagine I'm the only person unwilling to continue usage of an IRC network that's been taken over in a hostile manner and wrested from the control of democratically elected volunteers. - Jay Faulkner On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:52 AM Dmitry Tantsur <dtantsur@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 2:24 PM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 9:23 AM Erno Kuvaja <ekuvaja@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all,
For those of you who have not woken up to this sad day yet. Andrew Lee
has taken his stance as owner of freenode ltd. and by the (one sided) story of the former volunteer staff members basically forced the whole community out.
As there is history of LTM shutting down networks before (snoonet), it
is appropriate to expect that the intentions here are not aligned with the communities and specially the users who's data he has access to via this administrative takeover.
I think it's our time to take swift action and show our support to all
the hard working volunteers who were behind freenode and move all our activities to irc.libera.chat.
Please see https://twitter.com/freenodestaff
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_freenodestaff&d=DwMFaQ&c=sWW_bEwW_mLyN3Kx2v57Q8e-CRbmiT9yOhqES_g_wVY&r=NKR1jXf8to59hDGraABDUb4djWcsAXM11_v4c7uz0Tg&m=xyeL1zKdco52ULLb8iHlzIduIic2EF7UEQQjv5F9lWk&s=TSHzp_pyffg_r_scEmA4MLjplkrOZVJKGqNH6F8yUoY&e=> and Christian's letter which links to the others as well https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__fuchsnet.ch_freenode-2Dresign-2Dletter.txt&d=DwMFaQ&c=sWW_bEwW_mLyN3Kx2v57Q8e-CRbmiT9yOhqES_g_wVY&r=NKR1jXf8to59hDGraABDUb4djWcsAXM11_v4c7uz0Tg&m=xyeL1zKdco52ULLb8iHlzIduIic2EF7UEQQjv5F9lWk&s=NIO5eH8_VyD5rsbvEwkYTbGp1haQ9T6GKow6b06bkvc&e=>
Best, Erno 'jokke' Kuvaja
There is two sides to each story, this is the other one:
https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__freenode.net_news_freenode-2Dis-2Dfoss&d=DwMFaQ&c=sWW_bEwW_mLyN3Kx2v57Q8e-CRbmiT9yOhqES_g_wVY&r=NKR1jXf8to59hDGraABDUb4djWcsAXM11_v4c7uz0Tg&m=xyeL1zKdco52ULLb8iHlzIduIic2EF7UEQQjv5F9lWk&s=rtWuVgVDaM9DbHw0c9MEGXj-6dckvOv86yyaXh4b-Ik&e=>
I recommend that so long that we don't have any problems, we keep things as is.
Well, we already have a problem: ruined trust from the participants. We've had people explicitly voicing their undesire to use freenode any longer. Given that IRC is already not very inclusive (see my other emails), we may end up with several disjointed chats for different community members - exactly the thing we want to avoid.
-1 to pretending that nothing has happened.
Dmitry
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