From:
Arne Wiebalck <Arne.Wiebalck@cern.ch>
Date: Friday, 18 October 2024 at 2:27 am
To: Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com>, Mia <mikasa.ack1618@gmail.com>
Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org <openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: Spot Instances
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FWIW, we actually had a full implementation of pre-emptible instances:
it changed name from Reaper to Aardvark and it was used in production
here at CERN until a recent upgrade.
The design and patch sets were discussed with upstream at the time, but
the required change of the state machine (to add the "pending" state)
was the main point which prevented integration into the upstream code
base eventually.
We do not use this functionality in our production deployment at the moment,
mostly since we weighed carrying forward a local patch set versus the benefit
of the added functionality, but the code is of course still there and we're happy
to share it again if there is revived interest in the community.
Cheers,
Arne
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Arne Wiebalck
CERN IT
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From: Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2024 16:23
To: Mia
Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: Spot Instances
Just an observation following up from discussions I was part of as
well as presentations I listened to at OpenInfra Days NA which
occurred this week. There were a surprising number of mentions of spot
instance-like functionality by some OpenStack vendors and
scientific/academic infrastructure operators.
It might be good for the wider community to revisit such discussion,
given next week is the PTG, as there is clearly renewed interest and
different practices being adopted which creates an inconsistent user
experience across different OpenStack clouds.
-Julia
On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 2:14 AM Mia <mikasa.ack1618@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you both; it was really helpful.
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 11:05 PM Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 16/10/2024 19:49, Dmitriy Rabotyagov wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Somebody may correct me, but to the best of my knowledge this
>> > functionality is currently not implemented in Nova.
>> >
>> it was proposed, discused for a few release and ultimatly rejected.
>>
>>
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/preemptible-instances
>> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/438640
>> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/547450
>>
>>
>> the most recen tspec that was aproved for this was
>>
>>
https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/train/approved/introduce-pending-vm-state.html
>>
>> and out of tree protype was developed
>>
>> https://gitlab.cern.ch/ttsiouts/ReaperServicePrototype
>>
>> but it was never compelted.
>>
>> after that did not pan out it moved to balzar
>>
>>
https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/blazar-specs/specs/ussuri/blazar-preemptible-instances.html
>>
>>
>> and again it never completed to my knowladge
>>
>> > I can assume there could be some custom scheduler filters/weighers in
>> > the wild (not 100% sure this can be done solely through scheduling
>> > though), but I personally haven't seen one so far.
>> > Though I was asked a couple of times during last year about exactly
>> > the same thing. So you're totally not alone looking for a solution for
>> > spot instances.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> it is a potential usescase that could be supproted but the logic for
>> doign the reaping/premetion is non trvial to do correctly.
>>
>> one approch we have rejected in the past is havign nova's sechuler call
>> out to another service if we cant find a host
>>
>> or activly reaping premtiable instnace in that case.
>>
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2024, 14:09 Mia <mikasa.ack1618@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I am working on a project in the OpenStack environment. More
>> > precisely, I am looking into the implementation of spot instances
>> > as a cost optimization strategy and better resource utilization.
>> >
>> > If any community members could share their experiences and
>> > insights related to the following areas, it would be greatly
>> > appreciated.
>> > Implementation Strategies: How did you go about implementing spot
>> > instances in your cluster?
>> > Challenges Faced: Mention some of the challenges or limitations.
>> > Best Practices: Do you have any recommendations or best practices
>> > that you would like to suggest for seamless deployment?
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for your time and support.
>> >
>>
