Hi OpenStack legal community I have a question on the purpose of the ICLA. In attempting to setup my local Git repository with the OpenStack Gerrit system, I ran into an issue where I was asked to sign the ICLA. My submissions to OpenStack are on behalf of the company I work for, and we have already a signed CCLA. Our general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my general counsel, why there is this requirement? Thanks and Regards, Michael Latchmansingh | Director, Product Development 954-377-6058 t 561-927-5754 c michael.latchmansingh.datacore (skype) DataCore Software Corporation Corporate Park 6300 NW 5th Way Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 http://www.datacore.com<http://www.datacore.com/>
Perhaps your gerrit account is not on your employer's list of authorized CCLA accounts? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM Michael Latchmansingh < Michael.Latchmansingh@datacore.com> wrote:
Hi OpenStack legal community
I have a question on the purpose of the ICLA. In attempting to setup my local Git repository with the OpenStack Gerrit system, I ran into an issue where I was asked to sign the ICLA. My submissions to OpenStack are on behalf of the company I work for, and we have already a signed CCLA. Our general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my general counsel, why there is this requirement?
Thanks and Regards,
*Michael Latchmansingh **|* Director, Product Development
954-377-6058 <(954)%20377-6058> t 561-927-5754 <(561)%20927-5754> c michael.latchmansingh.datacore (skype)
*DataCore Software Corporation *Corporate Park 6300 NW 5th Way Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 http://www.datacore.com
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Wasn't the ICLA requirement completely eliminated last year? Richard On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 04:25:35PM +0000, Dolph Mathews wrote:
Perhaps your gerrit account is not on your employer's list of authorized CCLA accounts? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM Michael Latchmansingh < Michael.Latchmansingh@datacore.com> wrote:
Hi OpenStack legal community
I have a question on the purpose of the ICLA. In attempting to setup my local Git repository with the OpenStack Gerrit system, I ran into an issue where I was asked to sign the ICLA. My submissions to OpenStack are on behalf of the company I work for, and we have already a signed CCLA. Our general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my general counsel, why there is this requirement?
Thanks and Regards,
*Michael Latchmansingh **|* Director, Product Development
954-377-6058 <(954)%20377-6058> t 561-927-5754 <(561)%20927-5754> c michael.latchmansingh.datacore (skype)
*DataCore Software Corporation *Corporate Park 6300 NW 5th Way Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 http://www.datacore.com
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On 10/11/2016 12:35 PM, Richard Fontana wrote:
Wasn't the ICLA requirement completely eliminated last year?
The requirement was eliminated pending a few technical implementation items. We will not be removing enforcement of ICLA signing until we finish adding enforcement of the CCLA. So - for now it is a requirement, although we do have a path forward to the time where it will not be a requirement. For the original poster - I do not have a great answer for you right now other than that it is currently a requirement. Someone else can hopefully provide some verbiage that can make your friendly lawyer human happier.
Richard
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 04:25:35PM +0000, Dolph Mathews wrote:
Perhaps your gerrit account is not on your employer's list of authorized CCLA accounts? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM Michael Latchmansingh < Michael.Latchmansingh@datacore.com> wrote:
Hi OpenStack legal community
I have a question on the purpose of the ICLA. In attempting to setup my local Git repository with the OpenStack Gerrit system, I ran into an issue where I was asked to sign the ICLA. My submissions to OpenStack are on behalf of the company I work for, and we have already a signed CCLA. Our general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my general counsel, why there is this requirement?
Thanks and Regards,
*Michael Latchmansingh **|* Director, Product Development
954-377-6058 <(954)%20377-6058> t 561-927-5754 <(561)%20927-5754> c michael.latchmansingh.datacore (skype)
*DataCore Software Corporation *Corporate Park 6300 NW 5th Way Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 http://www.datacore.com
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It was my understanding that the ICLA explicitly addressed this issue (raised by the original poster)
general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my
with the verbiage set forth in section 4 of the ICLA which reads (in its entirety) "4. You represent that you are legally entitled to grant the above license. If your employer(s) has rights to intellectual property that you create that includes your Contributions, You represent that you have received permission to make Contributions on behalf of that employer, that your employer has waived such rights for your Contributions to the Project Manager, or that your employer has executed a separate Corporate Contributor License Agreement with the Project Manager." So, while the ICLA may be going away, the specific objection raised by the attorney appears to be addressed in the ICLA. -amrith
-----Original Message----- From: Monty Taylor [mailto:mordred@inaugust.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:06 PM To: legal-discuss@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [legal-discuss] Question on the ICLA
On 10/11/2016 12:35 PM, Richard Fontana wrote:
Wasn't the ICLA requirement completely eliminated last year?
The requirement was eliminated pending a few technical implementation items. We will not be removing enforcement of ICLA signing until we finish adding enforcement of the CCLA.
So - for now it is a requirement, although we do have a path forward to the time where it will not be a requirement.
For the original poster - I do not have a great answer for you right now other than that it is currently a requirement. Someone else can hopefully provide some verbiage that can make your friendly lawyer human happier.
Richard
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 04:25:35PM +0000, Dolph Mathews wrote:
Perhaps your gerrit account is not on your employer's list of authorized CCLA accounts? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM Michael Latchmansingh < Michael.Latchmansingh@datacore.com> wrote:
Hi OpenStack legal community
I have a question on the purpose of the ICLA. In attempting to setup my local Git repository with the OpenStack Gerrit system, I ran into an issue where I was asked to sign the ICLA. My submissions to OpenStack are on behalf of the company I work for, and we have already a signed CCLA. Our general counsel does not want me to sign an individual CLA because I do not own any of the IP being submitted. Can you clarify, in legal terms for my general counsel, why there is this requirement?
Thanks and Regards,
*Michael Latchmansingh **|* Director, Product Development
954-377-6058 <(954)%20377-6058> t 561-927-5754 <(561)%20927-5754> c michael.latchmansingh.datacore (skype)
*DataCore Software Corporation *Corporate Park 6300 NW 5th Way Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 http://www.datacore.com
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On 2016-10-11 13:05:38 -0400 (-0400), Monty Taylor wrote:
On 10/11/2016 12:35 PM, Richard Fontana wrote:
Wasn't the ICLA requirement completely eliminated last year?
The requirement was eliminated pending a few technical implementation items. We will not be removing enforcement of ICLA signing until we finish adding enforcement of the CCLA.
So - for now it is a requirement, although we do have a path forward to the time where it will not be a requirement. [...]
To clarify, we're allowed to drop ICLA enforcement in Gerrit once we've switched from authenticating it against Launchpad SSO to authenticating it against OpenStackID (which will allow the foundation to more accurately map code contributions to specific foundation members, enabling a separate system which grants counsel for various member companies to accurately maintain lists of those employees contributing under the CCLA on their behalf). There are multiple challenges with switching identity providers. First, we don't have a perfect means of mapping Gerrit accounts to existing foundation accounts. Second, we need to decide how we'll go about handling the (many) Gerrit users who don't yet have foundation accounts. Third, we'll lose the ability to map new Gerrit users to Launchpad accounts for automated bug reassignment (this we're hoping to solve by switching to a different task tracker which is under our direct control, and use the same identity provider for it as well). These are problems I'm hoping we'll make more traction on soon, as I'm quite aware how painful ICLA enforcement is as part of the code contributor onboarding process. -- Jeremy Stanley
On 10/11/2016 10:25 AM, Dolph Mathews wrote:
Perhaps your gerrit account is not on your employer's list of authorized CCLA accounts? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HowToUpdateCorporateCLA
At "https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#Contributor_License_Agreem...", it says: "If you are contributing on behalf of a company or organization, you still need to sign the Individual CLA above..." It is that Individual CLA that the OP's counsel is objecting to. Chris
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