<html><body><p><font size="2">I agree! I like IRC much better than phone meetings. Thanks!</font><br><font size="2">Sincerely,<br>Emily Kate Hugenbruch<br>Memory Management Software Engineer - z/VM<br>Dame Emily, Plenipotentiary for Open Source<br>IBM Corporation Endicott, NY<br>Twitter: @ekhugen<br>IRC: ekhugen@freenode</font><br><br><img width="16" height="16" src="cid:1__=8FBB0B26DF9095F08f9e8a93df938690918c8FB@" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for Kendall Nelson ---10/09/2017 07:17:46 PM---I fully support this move for several reasons: 1. The reas"><font size="2" color="#424282">Kendall Nelson ---10/09/2017 07:17:46 PM---I fully support this move for several reasons: 1. The reasons Amy mentioned- in particular the Four</font><br><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From: </font><font size="2">Kendall Nelson <kennelson11@gmail.com></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To: </font><font size="2">Amy Marrich <amy@demarco.com>, women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date: </font><font size="2">10/09/2017 07:17 PM</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject: </font><font size="2">Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meetings - IRC?</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left" noshade style="color:#8091A5; "><br><br><br>I fully support this move for several reasons: <br><br>1. The reasons Amy mentioned- in particular the Four Opens [1]. Currently, our meetings aren't logged and there isn't any way to refer back except with the etherpads- assuming someone was taking notes which isn't guaranteed. Logs would help with planning events and knowing who took what action item. <br><br>2. Phoneccall conversations are much more difficult for people who's first language isn't English. Phone calls are also much more difficult for people in timezones other than +/- 5 hours of the timezone the call is being held in. More to that point- we should alternate IRC meeting times one more for APAC and one more for US/Europe.<br><br>3. IRC meetings make it easier for multitasking. Personally, I find myself in loud busy places quite often and don't want to join in/ go off mute for fear of the loud background noise. I am however always on IRC and its easy to respond in a meeting while in a loud airport or on public transit.<br><br>4. I don't know about you all, but speaking up on the phone can be hard because I always feel like I am talking over someone or interrupting someone. It's much easier to send a message in a meeting and not feel like I am railroading over someone. <br><br>5. In talking to people at the Women of OpenStack Happy Hour at the PTG but don't join in the meetings, the most common reason I heard was that they hated that the meetings were on the phone and then started to list reasons 1-4 in various orders. This was in the range of a half a dozen to a dozen women that would be involved more if they didn't have to call in. <br><br><br>For people that don't know how to get started with IRC there are two options: <br>1. Webrowser like IRC cloud<br>2. IRC Client [2]<br><br>If you have any issues, please reply to this thread and I would be happy to help- as I am sure many others would be as well :)<br><br>If you need some words of encouragement getting started, I wrote this SuperUser Article about IRC a while back[3].<br><br>Thanks Amy for getting this thread going, you have my +2 :) <br><br>-Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo)<br><br>[1] <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__governance.openstack.org_tc_reference_opens.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=SbEMFMP1hBMrRihF4Zc7K3o9bE2ADIi6SIYqIkp0JBg&e="><u><font color="#0000FF">https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html</font></u></a> <br>[2] <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.openstack.org_upstream-2Dtraining_irc.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=I0vcOghyJOkJRiNfm20ywFQWZZi7MoPisEjFXrcwYBs&e="><u><font color="#0000FF">https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/irc.html</font></u></a> <br>[3] <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__superuser.openstack.org_articles_irc-2Dmishaps_&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=wxlVOh-hnbCPSedDrJjZFilFAZ8U4l4VmdLNT8K4-_A&e="><u><font color="#0000FF">http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/irc-mishaps/</font></u></a> <br><br><br><br>On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 3:50 PM Amy Marrich <<a href="mailto:amy@demarco.com"><u><font color="#0000FF">amy@demarco.com</font></u></a>> wrote:
<ul>Hi everyone,<br><br>At the last meeting we discussed moving the meetings to IRC to be more in line with all the other OpenStack groups and keeping with the 4 opens which having logs of the meetings available is a part of. We also discussed still holding the phone/webex meetings when we had presenters for the visual aspects.<br><br>I wanted to see what the group's thoughts were on this change. I know we had some challenges a few years ago and that's why we went to the phone calls. We're willing to help folks get up and running on IRC if that's all that's stopping someone from participating.<br><br>We hope this change would increase participation and depending on feedback we might also look at changing the day or time of the meeting. There was some feedback from those on the West Coast that with the next time change the meetings would be during lunch.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Amy (spotz)<br>_______________________________________________<br>Women-of-openstack mailing list<u><font color="#0000FF"><br></font></u><a href="mailto:Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF">Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><u><font color="#0000FF"><br></font></u><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_women-2Dof-2Dopenstack&d=DwMFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=oP6MQSBEWFosSn1hu9utH6wK2uO5ewpCYTGWIRJYYDQ&e=" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstack</font></u></a><tt><font size="2">_______________________________________________<br>Women-of-openstack mailing list<br>Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org<br></font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_women-2Dof-2Dopenstack&d=DwIGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=oP6MQSBEWFosSn1hu9utH6wK2uO5ewpCYTGWIRJYYDQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.openstack.org_cgi-2Dbin_mailman_listinfo_women-2Dof-2Dopenstack&d=DwIGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=Lc0ljvY7G9YHKKp0KXj2oZ0N_ceIHqWPQilorrrjr60&m=v3npcvXpWkJnaMyPTYMz-dPNZC5vnD6vMVZqK6fffNE&s=oP6MQSBEWFosSn1hu9utH6wK2uO5ewpCYTGWIRJYYDQ&e=</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2"><br></font></tt><br><br></ul><BR>
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