<html><body><p>That's very fair, to establish it based on timing, and that would help avoid burnout. You're right that mentors are our most precious resource here.<br>For graduation criteria, we had been thinking more along the lines of:
<ul type="disc"><li>Did the mentee achieve a goal that they wanted to, like getting a piece of code done, or getting to a new job?
<li>Is the mentee ready to be a mentor themselves?</ul>But we were planning to continue the discussion tomorrow, so we'll definitely bring up the 6 month timeframe suggestion then.<br><br>FYI, our meeting etherpad, if anyone wants to see the log of our discussions on the topic <a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_mentoring_12_3">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_mentoring_12_3</a>, or if you have more suggestions for us to discuss at our Wednesday meeting.<br>Thanks!<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Emily Kate Hugenbruch<br>OpenStack Cloud Enablement Engineer - z/VM and Software Engineer - z/VM<br>IBM Corporation Endicott, NY<br>Twitter: @ekhugen<br>IRC: ekhugen@freenode<br><br><img width="16" height="16" src="cid:1__=8FBB0A90DFF734868f9e8a93df938690918c8FB@" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for Anne Gentle ---08/02/2016 02:11:58 PM---On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Emily K Hugenbruch <ekhugenb"><font color="#424282">Anne Gentle ---08/02/2016 02:11:58 PM---On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Emily K Hugenbruch <ekhugenbruch@us.ibm.com > wrote:</font><br><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From: </font><font size="2">Anne Gentle <annegentle@justwriteclick.com></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To: </font><font size="2">Emily K Hugenbruch/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Cc: </font><font size="2">Victoria Martinez de la Cruz <vkmc@redhat.com>, women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date: </font><font size="2">08/02/2016 02:11 PM</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject: </font><font size="2">Re: [Women-of-openstack] OpenStack mentoring efforts and Upstream Training for next OpenStack Summit</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left" noshade style="color:#8091A5; "><br><br><br><br><br><font size="4">On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Emily K Hugenbruch <</font><a href="mailto:ekhugenbruch@us.ibm.com" target="_blank"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">ekhugenbruch@us.ibm.com</font></u></a><font size="4">> wrote:</font><ul><font face="Arial">Hi Anne,</font><br><font face="Arial">That's a great point, and the mentoring team has been talking about "graduation criteria". We are hoping to have something out on that before the Barcelona summit. If you have any suggestions, we'd be happy to hear them. </font></ul><br><font size="4">I think in my case it's not so much graduation criteria (I'm not judging my mentee) but releasing mentors to mentor others since that's the resource we're running out of and want to treat like gold. :)</font><br><br><font size="4">I could see timing as being a decent criteria for defining each program. Then all I'd suggest is </font>-- Duration: six months between Summits as the definition for WOO light-weight mentoring + Speed-mentoring.<br><br>Anne<br><br><br><font size="4"> </font><ul><font face="Arial">Thanks!</font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">Sincerely,<br>Emily Kate Hugenbruch<br>OpenStack Cloud Enablement Engineer - z/VM and Software Engineer - z/VM<br>IBM Corporation Endicott, NY<br>Twitter: @ekhugen<br>IRC: ekhugen@freenode</font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">----- Original message -----<br>From: Anne Gentle <</font><a href="mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">annegentle@justwriteclick.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">><br>To: Victoria Martinez de la Cruz <</font><a href="mailto:vkmc@redhat.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">vkmc@redhat.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">><br>Cc: Emily K Hugenbruch/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS, </font><a href="mailto:women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><font face="Arial"><br>Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] OpenStack mentoring efforts and Upstream Training for next OpenStack Summit<br>Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2016 4:13 PM<br> </font><br><font face="Arial">Thanks for all the efforts. </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">One outcome I'd like to see from the WOO mentoring is a duration and end-date for the mentoring. Should it be close to the 3-months of the Outreachy program, or 6 months, Summit-to-Summit, or for a year? By letting mentors know when they are freed from one mentoring commitment they can then be ready for another round. </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">Thanks,</font><br><font face="Arial">Anne</font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Victoria Martinez de la Cruz <</font><a href="mailto:vkmc@redhat.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">vkmc@redhat.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">> wrote: </font><br><font face="Arial">Thanks for your quick response Emily, will join next mentoring committee meeting! </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">Best,</font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">Victoria</font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Emily K Hugenbruch <</font><a href="mailto:ekhugenbruch@us.ibm.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">ekhugenbruch@us.ibm.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">> wrote: </font><ul><font face="Arial">Hi Victoria,<br>I'll send you an invite to the mentoring committee meetings on Wednesdays. Ildiko actually contacted me yesterday to start to talk a bit about Upstream training and the lightweight mentoring, and next Wednesday we're set to start talking about Speed Mentoring. We have started to talk a bit at our meetings about how we can interact with other mentoring initiatives in the community, like Hackathons, etc.<br>Thanks for bringing this up, we definitely need to get a united approach for mentoring.<br>Sincerely,<br>Emily Kate Hugenbruch<br>OpenStack Cloud Enablement Engineer - z/VM and Software Engineer - z/VM<br>IBM Corporation Endicott, NY<br>Twitter: @ekhugen<br>IRC: ekhugen@freenode<br><br></font><img src="cid:1__=8FBB0A90DFF734868f9e8a93df938690918c8FB@" width="16" height="16" alt="Inactive hide details for Victoria Martinez de la Cruz ---07/27/2016 10:52:50 AM---Hi all, The OpenStack Summit is rapidly appr"><font color="#424282" face="Arial">Victoria Martinez de la Cruz ---07/27/2016 10:52:50 AM---Hi all, The OpenStack Summit is rapidly approaching and I wanted to chat about the</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="Arial"><br>From: </font><font face="Arial">Victoria Martinez de la Cruz <</font><a href="mailto:vkmc@redhat.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">vkmc@redhat.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">></font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="Arial"><br>To: </font><a href="mailto:women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><font face="Arial">, </font><a href="mailto:foundation@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">foundation@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><font color="#5F5F5F" face="Arial"><br>Cc: </font><a href="mailto:marton.kiss@gmail.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">marton.kiss@gmail.com</font></u></a><font face="Arial">, </font><a href="mailto:ildiko.vancsa@ericsson.com" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">ildiko.vancsa@ericsson.com</font></u></a><font color="#5F5F5F" face="Arial"><br>Date: </font><font face="Arial">07/27/2016 10:52 AM</font><font color="#5F5F5F" face="Arial"><br>Subject: </font><font face="Arial">[Women-of-openstack] OpenStack mentoring efforts and Upstream Training for next OpenStack Summit</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><br><font face="Arial"><br><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>Hi all,</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>The OpenStack Summit is rapidly approaching and I wanted to chat about the different mentoring efforts that are happening in the OpenStack community before it in order to unite forces and make the best for all of them.</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>As the OpenStack Summit in Austin we had</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>- Mentoring within internships like Outreachy and Google Summer of Code<br>-- Duration: 3 month length<br>-- Target: Underrepresented groups/Students respectively interested in contributing to OpenStack<br>-- Mentors: Volunteers each round, not fixed list<br>-- Coordinators: vkmc, mahatic, devdatta, dims<br>- WOO light-weight mentoring + Speed-mentoring<br>-- Duration: Not defined<br>-- Target: People getting involved with OpenStack, with no prior experience in contributing to open source<br>-- Mentors: DB of mentors<br>-- Coordinators: ekhugen<br>- Upstream Training<br>-- Duration: 2 days training before OpenStack Summit<br>-- Target: People getting involved with OpenStack, with no prior experience in contributing to open source<br>-- Mentors: Volunteers each edition, not fixed list<br>-- Coordinators: Volunteers each edition, not sure how this is defined</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>How can we merge all the efforts together?</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>Now, with regards to Upstream Training for the OpenStack Summit. Is there any update about this training? Who is taking the lead this time? I see that [0] shows information from latest round. Ildiko and I wanted to join this edition too and we want to be ready to help whenever we can with it.</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>Best,</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>Victoria</font><font face="Arial"><br></font><font size="5" face="Arial"><br>[0] </font><a href="http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/" target="_blank"><u><font size="5" color="#0000FF" face="Arial">http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/</font></u></a><br><font face="Arial">_______________________________________________<br>Women-of-openstack mailing list</font><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br></font></u><a href="mailto:Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br></font></u><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstack" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstack</font></u></a><font face="Arial"><br><br><br> </font><p><font face="Arial"> </font></ul><font face="Arial"><br>_______________________________________________<br>Women-of-openstack mailing list</font><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br></font></u><a href="mailto:Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">Women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org</font></u></a><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial"><br></font></u><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstack" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstack</font></u></a><font face="Arial"><br> </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br><font face="Arial">-- </font><br><font face="Arial">Anne Gentle</font><br><a href="http://www.justwriteclick.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Arial">www.justwriteclick.com</font></u></a><br><font face="Arial"> </font><br></ul><font size="4"><br></font><br><br><font size="4">-- </font><br><font size="4">Anne Gentle</font><br><a href="http://www.justwriteclick.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#0000FF">www.justwriteclick.com</font></u></a><br><br><BR>
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