<div dir="ltr"><div><div>+1 for keeping it as open and accessible as possible. I have said in the past how a room full of women is no more diverse than a room full of men, though I do understand the desire to have groups of all one gender or the other in certain situations. Given the relatively few number of women in tech and how we were not even 10% of the Vancouver summit population, we need as many advocates as we can find to take up the cause of diversity of thought through different genders and cultures. Making it as simple as possibly to our male and female advocates and champions to find us and interact with us seems like a great start.<br><br></div>As for trolling, I do worry about it, but also don't like making decisions based on what might happen. Additional administrative overhead won't stop the trolls and it adds extra work to the channel leaders. In fact, having such a policy could actually attract more trolls. If they know there is an open channel that makes you agree to something to stay, they might seek it out for a cheap thrill knowing they can get a reaction easily. <br><br></div>#openstack-opw makes a lot of sense to keep it simple. We could also consider -wos (<b>W</b>omen [of] <b>O</b>pen<b>S</b>tack, <a href="http://www.acronymfinder.com/WOS.html">acryonymFinder</a>), but I do love -woo! <br><br>Merrian-Webster defines <i>woo</i> as "to try to attract (someone, such as a customer, voter, worker, etc.) :
to attempt to persuade (someone) to buy something from you, vote for
you, work for you, etc." Seems like part of our goal might be to attract and persuade more women to join the community? <br><br>In the Clifton <a href="http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/721/woo.aspx">StrengthsFinder</a>, "WOO" is an acronym for "winning others over" and is all about getting to know people and making sure strangers don't remain so for long. I think it is also very fitting for Women of OpenStack. <br><br>(Disclaimer, WOO is in my top 10 strengths so I think it's just peachy!)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Rainya<br>210.316.5065<br></div><div><i><font size="1">Not all of us can save the world. Some of us have to make it worth saving. - RFM</font></i></div></div></div></div>
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and attempts to notify channel users of that fact shall be undertaken." </span><a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html" target="_blank">http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html</a></div>
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<div>Susie mentioned needing documentation. I wrote a good bit of the "how to use IRC" wiki page for my office, so I already have a lot of material. I'd be glad to help.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Rochelle Grober <<a href="mailto:rochelle.grober@huawei.com" target="_blank">rochelle.grober@huawei.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Anne Gentle <<a href="mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com" target="_blank">annegentle@justwriteclick.com</a>>, "Gray, Susie" <<a href="mailto:susie.gray@hp.com" target="_blank">susie.gray@hp.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working breakfast.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’m in agreement with Anne. I don’t know how much trolling happens on OpenStack channels, but I don’t think it’s a lot. That said, there is a higher
likelihood of trolling on a channel identifying itself as for women. Maybe we should consider a little lower profile such as #openstack-woo. Put info in the mailing list, the wikis, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would not like to limit the channel to just women. If men are interested in our problems/solutions/discussions, they should be free to participate.
As long as they agree to and abide by the terms of participation. I participated in the training session for women in tech dealing with trolling and other issues and it was heavily male, and extremely sympathetic and supportive of reducing the problems encountered
by women in tech. They can have valuable insight into defusing situations and supporting us in handling situations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">On the issue of keeping a record of the channel, I’m undecided. I lean towards not recording the channel, but if someone has a good argument for
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So I pretty much found out straight away that the "rules" for channels we manage on freenode should allow us to have a private channel as it's for a "diversity type" reason.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was going to propose we use the existing open #openstack-opw channel, which we use for the Outreach Program for Women, now named Outreachy. Since -opw isn't the name of the program any more, we could rename the channel #openstack-women.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've talked to people who run channels with a requirement upon entry of answering the question in the affirmative, "Do you agree to our terms (with a link to the terms)?" If someone doesn't answer or hedges, then they are kicked. If they
still come back, but won't agree to the terms, they are banned. Thing is, that turns into a trollbait channel and you have to have 24x7 coverage to ask and if you don't get the answer you need, to kick, then ban the person who won't agree to the terms. I'm
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<p class="MsoNormal">My proposal would be to re-use the existing #openstack-opw channel, renaming to #openstack-women (keeping with some other patterns in open source [2]), and keeping it public. We should also decide if an agreement upon entry is the way we
want to go with this to help with the goal of ensuring the channel remains open but with known goals for interaction.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Technically I've found a person with admin rights who is willing to help set this up. I'm happy to help with any maintenance if there is any also. I think it should also be non-logged to add to it being a "safe-space" for us to just chat.<br>
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We will also need volunteers to write up some documentation with links to websites which are appropriate to 000 baby/completely non technical folk in order to help them get set up and running. A lot of the technology us techies take for granted is very very
scary to non-technical people and we need to support all our colleagues not just the techies.<br>
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Currently I was told we needed to run this past the foundation and get it okayed before going ahead. I am not aware of who to speak to or how this needs to be approached. Can the organisers help with this please?<br>
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