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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m in agreement with Anne. I don’t know how much trolling happens on OpenStack channels, but I don’t think it’s a lot. That said, there is a higher likelihood
of trolling on a channel identifying itself as for women. Maybe we should consider a little lower profile such as #openstack-woo. Put info in the mailing list, the wikis, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would not like to limit the channel to just women. If men are interested in our problems/solutions/discussions, they should be free to participate. As long
as they agree to and abide by the terms of participation. I participated in the training session for women in tech dealing with trolling and other issues and it was heavily male, and extremely sympathetic and supportive of reducing the problems encountered
by women in tech. They can have valuable insight into defusing situations and supporting us in handling situations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the issue of keeping a record of the channel, I’m undecided. I lean towards not recording the channel, but if someone has a good argument for it, I can
easily be swayed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My 2 cents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--Rocky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Anne Gentle [mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 31, 2015 19:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Gray, Susie<br>
<b>Cc:</b> women-of-openstack@lists.openstack.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working breakfast.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Gray, Susie <<a href="mailto:susie.gray@hp.com" target="_blank">susie.gray@hp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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So I pretty much found out straight away that the "rules" for channels we manage on freenode should allow us to have a private channel as it's for a "diversity type" reason.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Susie,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well... but the TC just passed a resolution to prevent private IRC channels. [1] I'd like to see us agreeing to that guidance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was going to propose we use the existing open #openstack-opw channel, which we use for the Outreach Program for Women, now named Outreachy. Since -opw isn't the name of the program any more, we could rename the channel #openstack-women.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've talked to people who run channels with a requirement upon entry of answering the question in the affirmative, "Do you agree to our terms (with a link to the terms)?" If someone doesn't answer or hedges, then they are kicked. If they
still come back, but won't agree to the terms, they are banned. Thing is, that turns into a trollbait channel and you have to have 24x7 coverage to ask and if you don't get the answer you need, to kick, then ban the person who won't agree to the terms. I'm
not sure we need that level of filter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My proposal would be to re-use the existing #openstack-opw channel, renaming to #openstack-women (keeping with some other patterns in open source [2]), and keeping it public. We should also decide if an agreement upon entry is the way we
want to go with this to help with the goal of ensuring the channel remains open but with known goals for interaction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you all think?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. <a href="http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html">
http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. <a href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/IRC">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/IRC</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Technically I've found a person with admin rights who is willing to help set this up. I'm happy to help with any maintenance if there is any also. I think it should also be non-logged to add to it being a "safe-space" for us to just chat.<br>
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We will also need volunteers to write up some documentation with links to websites which are appropriate to 000 baby/completely non technical folk in order to help them get set up and running. A lot of the technology us techies take for granted is very very
scary to non-technical people and we need to support all our colleagues not just the techies.<br>
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Currently I was told we needed to run this past the foundation and get it okayed before going ahead. I am not aware of who to speak to or how this needs to be approached. Can the organisers help with this please?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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-grue-<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anne Gentle<br>
<a href="mailto:annegentle@justwriteclick.com" target="_blank">annegentle@justwriteclick.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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