[Women-of-openstack] How many software devs?
Foley, Emma L
emma.l.foley at intel.com
Thu Nov 5 18:05:42 UTC 2015
Updated figures! :)
+------------------------++--------------------------+
| Kilo || liberty |
+------------------------++--------------------------|
| females : 209 || females : 257 |
| males : 1350 || males : 1546 |
| unknowncount : 38 || unknowncount : 38 |
+------------------------++--------------------------+
Those 38 unknown are based on non ascii characters in the name, and I didn't deal with it.
Unfortunately, it took a little longer than the original script
real 1m53.599s
user 0m6.556s
sys 0m0.956s
Regards,
Emma
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:01:21 -0800
From: Ashlee <ashlee at wildernessvoice.com>
To: "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
Cc: "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
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It's quite accurate, as I came up with both genders. :)
Obviously, this is going to struggle a bit with those somewhat ambiguous names, along with A Boy Named Sue.
Sorry, my sense of humor is this way 24/7. It has nothing to do with lack of coffee.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Foley, Emma L <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
wrote:
> Maybe this could be of help: http://blog.namsor.com/api/ The API can
> determine gender with a high level of accuracy based on first and last
> name.
> Who owns the gender guessing script at the moment? Maybe this can be
> incorporated into it.
>
> Regards,
> Emma
>
> -----------------
>
> > Have to change the thread since I'm a word nerd. :)
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Claire Delcourt <
> claire at nuagenetworks.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think the intend was to say that the SW developers are the
> > > only real contributors (besides I personally don't think that SW
> > > developer is the only technical role in the OpenStack community).
> > >
> > > If I understand correctly the various reactions, it is a matter of
> > > rephrasing the question to something like "how many SW developers
> > > are female developers?". That is a valid question to me, and more
> > > generally having statistics about the various roles that the women
> > > of OpenStack have in the community is interesting.
> > >
> >
> > The answer is more complex than you might imagine. We've used some
> scripts since 2013 or so, with a gender-guessing algorithm based on
> first name. It isn't very > accurate for our community because it was
> using US census data to match names to gender, for example. [1]
> >
> > Using something like Stackalytics REST API and a Python script with
> again, the gender guesser that I don't like, shows there are more
> unknown genders than men, > based on name guessing. [2]
>
> > Liberty:
> > females: 157
> > males: 870
> > unknown: 985
> >
> > Kilo:
> > females: 135
> > males: 778
> > unknown: 829
> >
> > I don't really like any of these counting devices because it's
> > ignoring,
> say, Asian and Indian first-name-gender-guessing, and diversity means
> diversity across many > viewpoints.
> >
> > I'll also note that for me, event attendance is a poor counting
> > device
> for activity of women and minorities especially, since it can be more
> difficult to achieve escape > velocity for various reasons,
> caretaking, budgeting, location proximity, shifting priorities, and so on.
> >
> > I hope that info gives you a little more background. Please tell me
> > if
> I'm incorrect in any of the explanations. This is a good discussion,
> thanks for having it.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > 1.
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007288.h
> tml
> > 2. https://github.com/openfly/openstack-gender
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Claire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Anne Gentle
> > > <annegentle at justwriteclick.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Foley, Emma L
> > >> <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I have nothing against non-technical people, and I meant no
> > >>> offence, but I'm looking at it from a different point-of-view than you are.
> > >>> Maybe my view is skewed, as the majority of the men I met were
> > >>> technical, and it seemed that the majority of the women I met
> > >>> were not technical. I got the feeling that technical women were
> > >>> highly underrepresented at the summit. I don't know what the
> > >>> over-all statistics were for technical/non-technical male/female
> > >>> overall, but I just saw the women as a majority non-technical
> > >>> group, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it would leave
> > >>> me feeling that being a technical women puts me in much more of
> > >>> a minority than I
> thought. i.e. I was expecting to find women in a similar role to myself.
> > >>>
> > >>> It might also be to do with the fact that I expected a lot more
> > >>> technical people overall, as that is where I'm coming from,
> > >>> working in a technical team in a large company, where marketing
> > >>> and other non-technical people are kept separate to a great extent.
> > >>>
> > >>> TLDR; My previous experience does not include a huge amount of
> > >>> collaboration with non-tech people, which skewed my expectations.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Glad you expanded upon your experiences. Let me give you some
> > >> more perspective if I may.
> > >>
> > >> There's good reason to be concerned about some sort of call-out
> > >> in amount of technical-ness of any individual contributor. We're
> > >> unfortunately in an industry where this practice continues to
> > >> shove women in to a category that's considered "lesser." I'd
> > >> recommend this
> article:
> > >>
> > >> https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/c-is-manly-python-is-for-n00b
> > >> s-ho w-false-stereotypes-turn-into-technical-truths
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pull quotes that really spoke to me:
> > >> * "A major reason to eradicate these false stereotypes is that
> > >> they perpetuate biases against women."
> > >> * "While those on the outside are still struggling to prove
> > >> themselves, the technically privileged have gone ahead to
> > >> determine what the software that runs our lives should look like."
> > >> * "Judgments about language use, despite being far from ?objective?
> > >> or ?technical,? set up a hierarchy among programmers that
> > >> systematically privileges certain groups."
> > >>
> > >> I've been more aware of the loss of power or privilege by
> > >> choosing to be in an "other" category since my focus is
> > >> documentation. It happens to be highly technical, but people
> > >> often overlook or even look down
> >> > upon it as a contribution. Same for "oh you're a database
> > >> administrator" or "oh, you are a web developer." Be very careful
> > >> if you notice you take on those biases because of the industry we
> > >> work in. Our industry is terrible at this categorization and
> > >> stereotype creation, and it shows. We're working on making it
> > >> better and this
> conversation is a good starting point.
> > >>
> > >> Anne
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> In general:
> > >>> Tech people engage with tech people as they know the product on
> > >>> a different level to non-technical people. Same goes for
> > >>> non-tech, the marketing guy is not going to want to talk to the
> > >>> kernel engineer when talking about (e.g.) the newest distro,
> > >>> they'll just want to know about a feature at a high level, and
> > >>> not how many lines of code and what algorithms were used to implement the feature.
> > >>>
> > >>> To address the problem of people being disappointed at meeting a
> > >>> marketing person at a booth:
> > >>> A technical person is going to want to talk tech, and will
> > >>> be expecting technical person (as well as marketing) to be
> > >>> available to answer their technical questions. I'm not saying a
> > >>> marketing person wouldn't be able to answer these, but the tech
> > >>> person would be better qualified to discuss the highly technical
> > >>> stuff, as it would
> be their area of expertise.
> > >>>
> > >>> So don't be offended if I want to talk tech with other technical
> > >>> people, and was disappointed that I didn't find as many as I was
> > >>> expecting in the group. Any non-technical person would feel lost
> > >>> in
> a room of engineers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Emma
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Intel Shannon Limited
> >> >> Registered in Ireland
> > >>> Registered Office: Collinstown Industrial Park, Leixlip, County
> > >>> Kildare Registered Number: 308263 Business address: Dromore
> > >>> House, East Park, Shannon, Co. Clare
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Niki Acosta (nikacost) [mailto:nikacost at cisco.com]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 3:54 PM
> > >>> To: Foley, Emma L; women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> > >>>
> > >>> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being
> > >>> ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the
> > >>> women I met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like
> > >>> women (like
> > >>> myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not
> > >>> technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent.
> > >>> Nevertheless, I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject,
> > >>> as
> it?s come up quite a bit.
> > >>>
> > >>> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that
> > >>> they were ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought
> > >>> they were ?in marketing.? A few women in the room took offense
> > >>> to that statement, and I understood why. It was as though
> > >>> marketers were somehow less important and less valuable than
> > >>> contributors and developers. A woman in the audience stood up,
> > >>> walked to the mic, and asked folks to stop saying ?they thought
> > >>> I was in marketing like it?s a bad thing.? She was right. That
> > >>> exchange made me realize that subconscious bias exists even amongst women in the same group.
> > >>>
> > >>> As women, we should support each other!
> > >>>
> > >>> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who
> > >>> share their expertise around public relations, social media,
> > >>> marketing, business development, branding, copywriting,
> > >>> communications, analyst relations, event planning, presentation
> > >>> authoring/coaching, and probably a whole lot of other stuff that
> > >>> I?m probably forgetting, what would OpenStack look like? There
> > >>> would be no summit. There would be no Women of OpenStack events.
> > >>> There would be no SuperUser magazine or newsletter.There would
> > >>> be no ?We Are
> OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
> > >>>
> > >>> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different
> > >>> skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool
> > >>> part is that people from all around the globe are building
> > >>> something that is fundamentally changing humanity< something bigger than ourselves.
> > >>> And while the code and docs are created by technical
> > >>> contributors, the other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation
> > >>> strong and vibrant and growing. And that?s pretty cool.
> > >>>
> > >>> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my
> > >>> intent. My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace
> > >>> diversity< no matter what is printed on your badge.
> > >>>
> > >>> #WeAreOpenStack
> > >>>
> > >>> Niki Acosta
> > >>> Cloud Evangelist
> > >>> (t) @nikiacosta
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I
> > >>> >was disappointed by the low number of women technical
> > >>> >contributors! At least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many
> > >>> >more female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large
> > >>> >number of women
> > >>> attending.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Regards,
> > >>> >Emma
> >> >> >
> > >>> >________________________________________
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
> > >>> >From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
> > >>> >To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
> > >>> > <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>,
> > >>> >"women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> > >>> > <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
> > >>> >Message-ID:
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> ><BL2PR02MB4209D531715A9D9FBB94BD6F62C0 at BL2PR02MB420.namprd02.prod.outlook.
> > >>> >com>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .
> > >>> >When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number
> > >>> >of questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are
> > >>> >developers
> contributing code.
> > >>> >They want role models in the community.
> > >>> > Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create
> > >>> >the stats behind "the state of OpenStack". Why not work with
> > >>> >them on
> > >>> getting more
> > >>> >information on women contributing patches to the various projects.
> I
> > >>> >would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and
> > >>> >all the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to
> > >>> >make this a thriving community.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Thank You,
> > >>> >Nithya A. Ruff, Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office
> > >>> >WIN Board Member SanDisk Corporation
> > >>> >951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
> > >>> >T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
> > >>> >Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com>
> Twitter:
> > >>> >@nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >_______________________________________________
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> > >>> >ack
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Anne Gentle
> > >> Rackspace
> > >> Principal Engineer
> > >> www.justwriteclick.com
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anne Gentle
> > Rackspace
> > Principal Engineer
> > www.justwriteclick.com
> >
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