[Women-of-openstack] Women-of-openstack Digest, Vol 13, Issue 12
Nithya Ruff
Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com
Wed Nov 4 22:05:00 UTC 2015
I am very glad that the questions from the community has led to this open dialogue. I would like to submit an abstract for Austin OpenStack on "The Many Ways We Contribute to OpenStack". I was compelled to do a talk like this at the Linux Conference earlier this year as well because so much of the dominant conversation is around one form of contribution only and it does not recognize all the work that happens in community, marketing, legal, documentation, social media to make a project successful. My slides and blog on this are here. http://itblog.sandisk.com/values-impact-inclusive-open-source-communities/ and it includes Anne Gentle as one woman of impact. I did another similar blog on women at SanDisk who contribute to innovation throughout the company. That innovation does not just happen in engineering. http://itblog.sandisk.com/innovation-at-sandisk-women-you-need-to-know/
I would love to interview women of OpenStack for this presentation and also feature you in the panel. Ideas welcome. Look for my request in the coming weeks. Thank you for inspiring inclusion and speaking up.
Thank You,
Nithya A. Ruff, Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office
WIN Board Member
SanDisk Corporation
951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com Twitter: @nithyaruff
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa-Marie Namphy [mailto:lnamphy at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 1:52 PM
To: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Women-of-openstack Digest, Vol 13, Issue 12
Niki,
I couldn’t agree more. I get that a lot. “Wait - you’re in marketing???” And yet, most of my upstream-only colleagues at HP will agree that I do as much if not more “contributing” to OpenStack as any of them, (including my dear friend Monty). The OpenStack community has consumed my life (and much of my marketing budget) for the past 3 years. I devote countless hours to community building, as well as customer adoption of OpenStack, and unlike many other HP employees in Allison’s team (formerly Monty’s team) it’s not my actual job. So I’m more of an “OpenStack volunteer” like many of our contributors who are not currently employed by a corporation. A large number of us community members do it in our “spare time” because we’re passionate about OpenStack and community and it takes all of us to make this succeed. I personally devote 2 nights a month to run the OpenStack user group meetings for the SF Bay area (yes, our meetup runs every other Thursday!), I’ve written 2 books on OpenStack, made countless videos, flown to various regions of the globe to set up local user groups, regularly speak to customers about OpenStack adoption, and have spoken at numerous conferences all in the interest of promoting OpenStack technology. So yes, even “Marketing” people add value to OpenStack. And yes, it’s VERY annoying every time I hear those comments, which unfortunately happen all too often!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Niki. You are an extremely passionate and valuable member of our community and I thank you for all that you do! :)
Cheers,
Lisa
Lisa-Marie Namphy
@hpcloudangel
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:53:43 +0000
> From: "Niki Acosta (nikacost)" <nikacost at cisco.com>
> To: "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com>,
> "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
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> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being
> ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the women I
> met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like women (like
> myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not
> technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent. Nevertheless,
> I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject, as it?s come up quite a bit.
>
> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that they were
> ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought they were ?in
> marketing.? A few women in the room took offense to that statement,
> and I understood why. It was as though marketers were somehow less
> important and less valuable than contributors and developers. A woman
> in the audience stood up, walked to the mic, and asked folks to stop
> saying ?they thought I was in marketing like it?s a bad thing.? She
> was right. That exchange made me realize that subconscious bias exists
> even amongst women in the same group.
>
> As women, we should support each other!
>
> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who share
> their expertise around public relations, social media, marketing,
> business development, branding, copywriting, communications, analyst
> relations, event planning, presentation authoring/coaching, and
> probably a whole lot of other stuff that I?m probably forgetting, what
> would OpenStack look like? There would be no summit. There would be no
> Women of OpenStack events. There would be no SuperUser magazine or
> newsletter.There would be no ?We Are OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
>
> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different
> skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool part is
> that people from all around the globe are building something that is
> fundamentally changing humanity? something bigger than ourselves. And
> while the code and docs are created by technical contributors, the
> other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation strong and vibrant and
> growing. And that?s pretty cool.
>
> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my intent.
> My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace diversity? no
> matter what is printed on your badge.
>
> #WeAreOpenStack
>
> Niki Acosta
> Cloud Evangelist
> (t) @nikiacosta
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I was
>> disappointed by the low number of women technical contributors! At
>> least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
>>
>> I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many more
>> female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large number of women attending.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Emma
>>
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
>> From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
>> To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
>> <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>,
>> "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
>> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
>> Message-ID:
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>> I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .
>> When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number of
>> questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are developers contributing code.
>> They want role models in the community.
>> Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create the
>> stats behind "the state of OpenStack". Why not work with them on getting more
>> information on women contributing patches to the various projects. I
>> would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
>>
>> Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and all
>> the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to make this a
>> thriving community.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Nithya A. Ruff, Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office WIN
>> Board Member SanDisk Corporation
>> 951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
>> T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
>> Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com> Twitter:
>> @nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Women-of-openstack mailing list
>> Women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstac
>> k
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:23:38 +0000
> From: "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> To: "Niki Acosta (nikacost)" <nikacost at cisco.com>,
> "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
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> I have nothing against non-technical people, and I meant no offence, but I'm looking at it from a different point-of-view than you are. Maybe my view is skewed, as the majority of the men I met were technical, and it seemed that the majority of the women I met were not technical. I got the feeling that technical women were highly underrepresented at the summit. I don't know what the over-all statistics were for technical/non-technical male/female overall, but I just saw the women as a majority non-technical group, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it would leave me feeling that being a technical women puts me in much more of a minority than I thought. i.e. I was expecting to find women in a similar role to myself.
>
> It might also be to do with the fact that I expected a lot more technical people overall, as that is where I'm coming from, working in a technical team in a large company, where marketing and other non-technical people are kept separate to a great extent.
>
> TLDR; My previous experience does not include a huge amount of collaboration with non-tech people, which skewed my expectations.
>
> In general:
> Tech people engage with tech people as they know the product on a different level to non-technical people. Same goes for non-tech, the marketing guy is not going to want to talk to the kernel engineer when talking about (e.g.) the newest distro, they'll just want to know about a feature at a high level, and not how many lines of code and what algorithms were used to implement the feature.
>
> To address the problem of people being disappointed at meeting a marketing person at a booth:
> A technical person is going to want to talk tech, and will be expecting technical person (as well as marketing) to be available to answer their technical questions. I'm not saying a marketing person wouldn't be able to answer these, but the tech person would be better qualified to discuss the highly technical stuff, as it would be their area of expertise.
>
> So don't be offended if I want to talk tech with other technical people, and was disappointed that I didn't find as many as I was expecting in the group. Any non-technical person would feel lost in a room of engineers.
>
> Regards,
> Emma
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niki Acosta (nikacost) [mailto:nikacost at cisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 3:54 PM
> To: Foley, Emma L; women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
>
> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like women (like myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent. Nevertheless, I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject, as it?s come up quite a bit.
>
> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that they were ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought they were ?in marketing.? A few women in the room took offense to that statement, and I understood why. It was as though marketers were somehow less important and less valuable than contributors and developers. A woman in the audience stood up, walked to the mic, and asked folks to stop saying ?they thought I was in marketing like it?s a bad thing.? She was right. That exchange made me realize that subconscious bias exists even amongst women in the same group.
>
> As women, we should support each other!
>
> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who share their expertise around public relations, social media, marketing, business development, branding, copywriting, communications, analyst relations, event planning, presentation authoring/coaching, and probably a whole lot of other stuff that I?m probably forgetting, what would OpenStack look like? There would be no summit. There would be no Women of OpenStack events. There would be no SuperUser magazine or newsletter.There would be no ?We Are OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
>
> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool part is that people from all around the globe are building something that is fundamentally changing humanity< something bigger than ourselves. And while the code and docs are created by technical contributors, the other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation strong and vibrant and growing. And that?s pretty cool.
>
> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my intent. My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace diversity< no matter what is printed on your badge.
>
> #WeAreOpenStack
>
> Niki Acosta
> Cloud Evangelist
> (t) @nikiacosta
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I was
>> disappointed by the low number of women technical contributors! At
>> least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
>>
>> I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many more
>> female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large number of women attending.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Emma
>>
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
>> From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
>> To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
>> <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>,
>> "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
>> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
>> Message-ID:
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>> com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .
>> When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number of
>> questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are developers contributing code.
>> They want role models in the community.
>> Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create the
>> stats behind "the state of OpenStack". Why not work with them on getting more
>> information on women contributing patches to the various projects. I
>> would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
>>
>> Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and all
>> the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to make this a
>> thriving community.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Nithya A. Ruff, Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office WIN
>> Board Member SanDisk Corporation
>> 951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
>> T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
>> Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com> Twitter:
>> @nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Women-of-openstack mailing list
>> Women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-openstac
>> k
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 17:07:03 -0600
> From: Anne Gentle <annegentle at justwriteclick.com>
> To: "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> Cc: "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
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> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Foley, Emma L
> <emma.l.foley at intel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have nothing against non-technical people, and I meant no offence,
>> but I'm looking at it from a different point-of-view than you are.
>> Maybe my view is skewed, as the majority of the men I met were
>> technical, and it seemed that the majority of the women I met were
>> not technical. I got the feeling that technical women were highly
>> underrepresented at the summit. I don't know what the over-all
>> statistics were for technical/non-technical male/female overall, but
>> I just saw the women as a majority non-technical group, and while
>> there's nothing wrong with that, it would leave me feeling that being
>> a technical women puts me in much more of a minority than I thought. i.e. I was expecting to find women in a similar role to myself.
>>
>> It might also be to do with the fact that I expected a lot more
>> technical people overall, as that is where I'm coming from, working
>> in a technical team in a large company, where marketing and other
>> non-technical people are kept separate to a great extent.
>>
>> TLDR; My previous experience does not include a huge amount of
>> collaboration with non-tech people, which skewed my expectations.
>>
>
>
> Glad you expanded upon your experiences. Let me give you some more
> perspective if I may.
>
> There's good reason to be concerned about some sort of call-out in
> amount of technical-ness of any individual contributor. We're
> unfortunately in an industry where this practice continues to shove
> women in to a category that's considered "lesser." I'd recommend this article:
> https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/c-is-manly-python-is-for-n00bs-how
> -false-stereotypes-turn-into-technical-truths
>
>
> Pull quotes that really spoke to me:
> * "A major reason to eradicate these false stereotypes is that they
> perpetuate biases against women."
> * "While those on the outside are still struggling to prove
> themselves, the technically privileged have gone ahead to determine
> what the software that runs our lives should look like."
> * "Judgments about language use, despite being far from ?objective?
> or ?technical,? set up a hierarchy among programmers that
> systematically privileges certain groups."
>
> I've been more aware of the loss of power or privilege by choosing to
> be in an "other" category since my focus is documentation. It happens
> to be highly technical, but people often overlook or even look down
> upon it as a contribution. Same for "oh you're a database
> administrator" or "oh, you are a web developer." Be very careful if
> you notice you take on those biases because of the industry we work
> in. Our industry is terrible at this categorization and stereotype
> creation, and it shows. We're working on making it better and this conversation is a good starting point.
>
> Anne
>
>
>>
>> In general:
>> Tech people engage with tech people as they know the product on a
>> different level to non-technical people. Same goes for non-tech, the
>> marketing guy is not going to want to talk to the kernel engineer
>> when talking about (e.g.) the newest distro, they'll just want to
>> know about a feature at a high level, and not how many lines of code
>> and what algorithms were used to implement the feature.
>>
>> To address the problem of people being disappointed at meeting a
>> marketing person at a booth:
>> A technical person is going to want to talk tech, and will be
>> expecting technical person (as well as marketing) to be available to
>> answer their technical questions. I'm not saying a marketing person
>> wouldn't be able to answer these, but the tech person would be better
>> qualified to discuss the highly technical stuff, as it would be their area of expertise.
>>
>> So don't be offended if I want to talk tech with other technical
>> people, and was disappointed that I didn't find as many as I was
>> expecting in the group. Any non-technical person would feel lost in a room of engineers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Emma
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> Intel Shannon Limited
>> Registered in Ireland
>> Registered Office: Collinstown Industrial Park, Leixlip, County
>> Kildare Registered Number: 308263 Business address: Dromore House,
>> East Park, Shannon, Co. Clare
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Niki Acosta (nikacost) [mailto:nikacost at cisco.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 3:54 PM
>> To: Foley, Emma L; women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
>>
>> This bums me out. Maybe I?m taking this personally, but being
>> ?disappointed" and following that with ?at least 50% of the women I
>> met were in non-technical roles? makes it seem like women (like
>> myself) are somehow less valuable or important because we?re not
>> technical contributors. Perhaps that is not your intent.
>> Nevertheless, I wanted to share some thoughts on this subject, as it?s come up quite a bit.
>>
>> During a past summit, someone made a comment in a panel that they
>> were ?offended? that someone came to the booth and thought they were
>> ?in marketing.? A few women in the room took offense to that
>> statement, and I understood why. It was as though marketers were
>> somehow less important and less valuable than contributors and
>> developers. A woman in the audience stood up, walked to the mic, and
>> asked folks to stop saying ?they thought I was in marketing like it?s
>> a bad thing.? She was right. That exchange made me realize that
>> subconscious bias exists even amongst women in the same group.
>>
>> As women, we should support each other!
>>
>> If it weren?t for the brilliant women (and men) of OpenStack who
>> share their expertise around public relations, social media,
>> marketing, business development, branding, copywriting,
>> communications, analyst relations, event planning, presentation
>> authoring/coaching, and probably a whole lot of other stuff that I?m
>> probably forgetting, what would OpenStack look like? There would be
>> no summit. There would be no Women of OpenStack events. There would
>> be no SuperUser magazine or newsletter.There would be no ?We Are OpenStack? campaign. OpenStack would NOT EXIST.
>>
>> At then end of each day, we?re all human. We all have different
>> skills, different talents, and different abilities. The cool part is
>> that people from all around the globe are building something that is
>> fundamentally changing humanity< something bigger than ourselves. And
>> while the code and docs are created by technical contributors, the
>> other side of OpenStack keeps that foundation strong and vibrant and
>> growing. And that?s pretty cool.
>>
>> Apologies if this offended anyone. That definitely was not my intent.
>> My intent is to help us be more inclusive and embrace diversity< no
>> matter what is printed on your badge.
>>
>> #WeAreOpenStack
>>
>> Niki Acosta
>> Cloud Evangelist
>> (t) @nikiacosta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/15, 5:51 AM, "Foley, Emma L" <emma.l.foley at intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, while there was a record number of women attendees , I was
>>> disappointed by the low number of women technical contributors! At
>>> least 50% of the women I met were in non-technical roles.
>>>
>>> I did meet some great people there, but I was expecting many more
>>> female ATCs, when there was a big fuss about the large number of
>>> women
>> attending.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Emma
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:30:08 +0000
>>> From: Nithya Ruff <Nithya.Ruff at sandisk.com>
>>> To: "Barrett, Carol L" <carol.l.barrett at intel.com>, Amy Marrich
>>> <Amy.Marrich at rackspace.com>,
>>> "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org"
>>> <women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] Meeting today
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <BL2PR02MB4209D531715A9D9FBB94BD6F62C0 at BL2PR02MB420.namprd02.prod.outlook.
>>> com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I would like to suggest an agenda item for next week's meeting .
>>> When I retweeted the Women of OpenStack picture, I got a number of
>>> questions on how many of the women in OpenStack are developers contributing code.
>>> They want role models in the community.
>>> Bitergia is a company that OpenStack foundation uses to create the
>>> stats behind "the state of OpenStack". Why not work with them on
>>> getting
>> more
>>> information on women contributing patches to the various projects. I
>>> would like to suggest we discuss this next time.
>>>
>>> Beth, Carol and Jessica - thanks again for your leadership and all
>>> the work that the foundation does - Claire and others to make this a
>>> thriving community.
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Nithya A. Ruff, Director, SanDisk Open Source Strategy Office WIN
>>> Board Member SanDisk Corporation
>>> 951 SanDisk Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035
>>> T: + (408-801-7068)| M: + (510-378-3159)
>>> Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com<mailto:Nithya.Ruff at SanDisk.com> Twitter:
>>> @nithyaruff<https://twitter.com/nithyaruff>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Women-of-openstack mailing list
>>> Women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/women-of-opensta
>>> ck
>>
>>
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