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Oh, that's a great page, Anne! Could have guessed on a lot of them, but...

cheers, Summer

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>    1. Re: IRC channel followup from working	breakfast. (Anne Gentle)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 13:43:26 -0500
> From: Anne Gentle <annegentle at justwriteclick.com>
> To: Victoria Mart?nez de la Cruz <victoria at redhat.com>
> Cc: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> 	breakfast.
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> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Victoria Mart?nez de la Cruz <
> victoria at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > I moved forward and created #openstack-women channel. We could have it
> > provisional and make a voting
> > if most people think it is not a good call. In the meantime, feel free to
> > join!
> >
> >
> Ha! I should've looked at my email inbox before hitting send on my last
> one. :) Can you add it to
> https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/accessbot/channels.yaml
> ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Anne
> 
> 
> > Looking forward to see you all there,
> >
> > Victoria
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "APlimpton" <aplimpton at gmail.com>
> > To: "Courtney Ferry" <cferry at carpathia.com>
> > Cc: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:33:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> >  breakfast.
> >
> > +1 to keeping it open to all and not letting trolls dictate anything.
> > #openstack-women is a great name. Anything with woo is not so great.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to the channel!
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I just hoped into #openstack-opw. There are 20 people logged on. I guess
> > it's still being used for outreach??
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Courtney Coulson Ferry
> >
> > Solutions Engineer
> >
> > Carpathia, Inc.
> >
> > 21000 Atlantic Blvd., Suite 500
> >
> > Dulles, VA 20166
> >
> > w: 703.652.5959 | c: 703.731.8928 | 24x7 Support: 703.840.3900 Opt 2
> >
> > cferry at carpathia.com | www.carpathia.com
> >
> > From: Shilla Saebi < shilla.saebi at gmail.com >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM
> > To: "Linda Skrocki (lskrocki)" < lskrocki at cisco.com >
> > Cc: Rainya Mosher < rainya.mosher at gmail.com >, Courtney Ferry <
> > cferry at carpathia.com >, " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> > women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> > breakfast.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +1 on keeping it open to ALL, not just men, not just women, ALL no matter
> > what your sex is, as long as you are helping and with the cause :)
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Linda Skrocki (lskrocki) <
> > lskrocki at cisco.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > +1 to?
> >
> >
> >     * Keeping it open and accessible to all
> >     * Logging to align with the governance Courtney cites
> >     * Not letting trolls dictate naming or anything else for that matter
> > I don't have a strong preference on the name.
> >
> > From: Rainya Mosher < rainya.mosher at gmail.com >
> > Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:42 PM
> > To: Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
> >
> > Cc: " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> > women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
> > Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> > breakfast.
> >
> > +1 for keeping it as open and accessible as possible. I have said in the
> > past how a room full of women is no more diverse than a room full of men,
> > though I do understand the desire to have groups of all one gender or the
> > other in certain situations. Given the relatively few number of women in
> > tech and how we were not even 10% of the Vancouver summit population, we
> > need as many advocates as we can find to take up the cause of diversity of
> > thought through different genders and cultures. Making it as simple as
> > possibly to our male and female advocates and champions to find us and
> > interact with us seems like a great start.
> >
> > As for trolling, I do worry about it, but also don't like making decisions
> > based on what might happen. Additional administrative overhead won't stop
> > the trolls and it adds extra work to the channel leaders. In fact, having
> > such a policy could actually attract more trolls. If they know there is an
> > open channel that makes you agree to something to stay, they might seek it
> > out for a cheap thrill knowing they can get a reaction easily.
> >
> > #openstack-opw makes a lot of sense to keep it simple. We could also
> > consider -wos ( W omen [of] O pen S tack, acryonymFinder ), but I do love
> > -woo!
> >
> > Merrian-Webster defines woo as "to try to attract (someone, such as a
> > customer, voter, worker, etc.) : to attempt to persuade (someone) to buy
> > something from you, vote for you, work for you, etc." Seems like part of
> > our goal might be to attract and persuade more women to join the community?
> >
> > In the Clifton StrengthsFinder , "WOO" is an acronym for "winning others
> > over" and is all about getting to know people and making sure strangers
> > don't remain so for long. I think it is also very fitting for Women of
> > OpenStack.
> >
> > (Disclaimer, WOO is in my top 10 strengths so I think it's just peachy!)
> >
> >
> > Rainya
> > 210.316.5065
> > Not all of us can save the world. Some of us have to make it worth saving.
> > - RFM
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Courtney Ferry < cferry at carpathia.com >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll add one more voice for keeping it open. Preemptively excluding anyone
> > smacks too much of the opposite of what we are trying to accomplish.
> >
> > Rocky's idea of using an acronym instead of ?women is also pretty good,
> > just to keep down trolls searching for a dating channel. I know the name of
> > the group has changed, but since the ?opw already exists, how about we just
> > use it to save the hassle?
> >
> > Regarding logging, it looks to be required by the foundation. " All
> > OpenStack related channels shall be logged and made publicly accessible and
> > attempts to notify channel users of that fact shall be undertaken."
> > http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
> >
> > Susie mentioned needing documentation. I wrote a good bit of the "how to
> > use IRC" wiki page for my office, so I already have a lot of material. I'd
> > be glad to help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > C-
> >
> > From: Rochelle Grober < rochelle.grober at huawei.com >
> > Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM
> > To: Anne Gentle < annegentle at justwriteclick.com >, "Gray, Susie" <
> > susie.gray at hp.com >
> > Cc: " women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org " <
> > women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> > breakfast.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I?m in agreement with Anne. I don?t know how much trolling happens on
> > OpenStack channels, but I don?t think it?s a lot. That said, there is a
> > higher likelihood of trolling on a channel identifying itself as for women.
> > Maybe we should consider a little lower profile such as #openstack-woo. Put
> > info in the mailing list, the wikis, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would not like to limit the channel to just women. If men are interested
> > in our problems/solutions/discussions, they should be free to participate.
> > As long as they agree to and abide by the terms of participation. I
> > participated in the training session for women in tech dealing with
> > trolling and other issues and it was heavily male, and extremely
> > sympathetic and supportive of reducing the problems encountered by women in
> > tech. They can have valuable insight into defusing situations and
> > supporting us in handling situations.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the issue of keeping a record of the channel, I?m undecided. I lean
> > towards not recording the channel, but if someone has a good argument for
> > it, I can easily be swayed.
> >
> >
> >
> > My 2 cents.
> >
> >
> >
> > --Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Anne Gentle [ mailto:annegentle at justwriteclick.com ]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 19:27
> > To: Gray, Susie
> > Cc: women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
> > Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> > breakfast.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Gray, Susie < susie.gray at hp.com > wrote:
> >
> > Hey y'all
> >
> > So I pretty much found out straight away that the "rules" for channels we
> > manage on freenode should allow us to have a private channel as it's for a
> > "diversity type" reason.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Susie,
> >
> >
> > Well... but the TC just passed a resolution to prevent private IRC
> > channels. [1] I'd like to see us agreeing to that guidance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was going to propose we use the existing open #openstack-opw channel,
> > which we use for the Outreach Program for Women, now named Outreachy. Since
> > -opw isn't the name of the program any more, we could rename the channel
> > #openstack-women.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've talked to people who run channels with a requirement upon entry of
> > answering the question in the affirmative, "Do you agree to our terms (with
> > a link to the terms)?" If someone doesn't answer or hedges, then they are
> > kicked. If they still come back, but won't agree to the terms, they are
> > banned. Thing is, that turns into a trollbait channel and you have to have
> > 24x7 coverage to ask and if you don't get the answer you need, to kick,
> > then ban the person who won't agree to the terms. I'm not sure we need that
> > level of filter.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My proposal would be to re-use the existing #openstack-opw channel,
> > renaming to #openstack-women (keeping with some other patterns in open
> > source [2]), and keeping it public. We should also decide if an agreement
> > upon entry is the way we want to go with this to help with the goal of
> > ensuring the channel remains open but with known goals for interaction.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you all think?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
> >
> >
> > 2. http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/IRC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Technically I've found a person with admin rights who is willing to help
> > set this up. I'm happy to help with any maintenance if there is any also. I
> > think it should also be non-logged to add to it being a "safe-space" for us
> > to just chat.
> >
> > We will also need volunteers to write up some documentation with links to
> > websites which are appropriate to 000 baby/completely non technical folk in
> > order to help them get set up and running. A lot of the technology us
> > techies take for granted is very very scary to non-technical people and we
> > need to support all our colleagues not just the techies.
> >
> > Currently I was told we needed to run this past the foundation and get it
> > okayed before going ahead. I am not aware of who to speak to or how this
> > needs to be approached. Can the organisers help with this please?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > -grue-
> >
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