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+1 to keeping it open to all and not letting trolls dictate anything.
#openstack-women is a great name. Anything with woo is not so great.

I'm looking forward to the channel!

Amanda


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Courtney Ferry <cferry at carpathia.com> wrote:

>   I just hoped into #openstack-opw.  There are 20 people logged on.  I
> guess it's still being used for outreach??
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>   From: Shilla Saebi <shilla.saebi at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM
> To: "Linda Skrocki (lskrocki)" <lskrocki at cisco.com>
> Cc: Rainya Mosher <rainya.mosher at gmail.com>, Courtney Ferry <
> cferry at carpathia.com>, "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org" <
> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
> breakfast.
>
>   +1 on keeping it open to ALL, not just men, not just women, ALL no
> matter what your sex is, as long as you are helping and with the cause :)
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Linda Skrocki (lskrocki) <
> lskrocki at cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>  +1 to…
>>
>>    - Keeping it open and accessible to all
>>    - Logging to align with the governance Courtney cites
>>    - Not letting trolls dictate naming or anything else for that matter
>>
>> I don't have a strong preference on the name.
>>
>>   From: Rainya Mosher <rainya.mosher at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:42 PM
>> To: Courtney Ferry <cferry at carpathia.com>
>>
>> Cc: "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org" <
>> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
>> breakfast.
>>
>>    +1 for keeping it as open and accessible as possible. I have said in
>> the past how a room full of women is no more diverse than a room full of
>> men, though I do understand the desire to have groups of all one gender or
>> the other in certain situations. Given the relatively few number of women
>> in tech and how we were not even 10% of the Vancouver summit population, we
>> need as many advocates as we can find to take up the cause of diversity of
>> thought through different genders and cultures. Making it as simple as
>> possibly to our male and female advocates and champions to find us and
>> interact with us seems like a great start.
>>
>>  As for trolling, I do worry about it, but also don't like making
>> decisions based on what might happen. Additional administrative overhead
>> won't stop the trolls and it adds extra work to the channel leaders. In
>> fact, having such a policy could actually attract more trolls. If they know
>> there is an open channel that makes you agree to something to stay, they
>> might seek it out for a cheap thrill knowing they can get a reaction
>> easily.
>>
>>  #openstack-opw makes a lot of sense to keep it simple. We could also
>> consider -wos (*W*omen [of] *O*pen*S*tack, acryonymFinder
>> <http://www.acronymfinder.com/WOS.html>), but I do love -woo!
>>
>> Merrian-Webster defines *woo* as "to try to attract (someone, such as a
>> customer, voter, worker, etc.) : to attempt to persuade (someone) to buy
>> something from you, vote for you, work for you, etc." Seems like part of
>> our goal might be to attract and persuade more women to join the community?
>>
>> In the Clifton StrengthsFinder
>> <http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/721/woo.aspx>, "WOO" is an
>> acronym for "winning others over" and is all about getting to know people
>> and making sure strangers don't remain so for long. I think it is also very
>> fitting for Women of OpenStack.
>>
>> (Disclaimer, WOO is in my top 10 strengths so I think it's just peachy!)
>>
>>
>>  Rainya
>> 210.316.5065
>>  *Not all of us can save the world. Some of us have to make it worth
>> saving. - RFM*
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Courtney Ferry <cferry at carpathia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I'll add one more voice for keeping it open.  Preemptively excluding
>>> anyone smacks too much of the opposite of what we are trying to accomplish.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Rocky's idea of using an acronym instead of –women is also pretty
>>> good, just to keep down trolls searching for a dating channel.  I know the
>>> name of the group has changed, but since the –opw already exists, how about
>>> we just use it to save the hassle?
>>>
>>>  Regarding logging, it looks to be required by the foundation.  "All
>>> OpenStack related channels shall be logged and made publicly accessible and
>>> attempts to notify channel users of that fact shall be undertaken."
>>> http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
>>>
>>>  Susie mentioned needing documentation.  I wrote a good bit of the "how
>>> to use IRC" wiki page for my office, so I already have a lot of material.
>>> I'd be glad to help.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  C-
>>>
>>>   From: Rochelle Grober <rochelle.grober at huawei.com>
>>> Date: Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM
>>> To: Anne Gentle <annegentle at justwriteclick.com>, "Gray, Susie" <
>>> susie.gray at hp.com>
>>> Cc: "women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org" <
>>> women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
>>> breakfast.
>>>
>>>    I’m in agreement with Anne.  I don’t know how much trolling happens
>>> on OpenStack channels, but I don’t think it’s a lot.  That said, there is a
>>> higher likelihood of trolling on a channel identifying itself as for
>>> women.  Maybe we should consider a little lower profile such as
>>> #openstack-woo.  Put info in the mailing list, the wikis, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would not like to limit the channel to just women.  If men are
>>> interested in our problems/solutions/discussions, they should be free to
>>> participate.  As long as they agree to and abide by the terms of
>>> participation.  I participated in the training session for women in tech
>>> dealing with trolling and other issues and it was heavily male, and
>>> extremely sympathetic and supportive of reducing the problems encountered
>>> by women in tech.  They can have valuable insight into defusing situations
>>> and supporting us in handling situations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the issue of keeping a record of the channel, I’m undecided.  I lean
>>> towards not recording the channel, but if someone has a good argument for
>>> it, I can easily be swayed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Anne Gentle [mailto:annegentle at justwriteclick.com
>>> <annegentle at justwriteclick.com>]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 19:27
>>> *To:* Gray, Susie
>>> *Cc:* women-of-openstack at lists.openstack.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Women-of-openstack] IRC channel followup from working
>>> breakfast.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Gray, Susie <susie.gray at hp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey y'all
>>>
>>> So I pretty much found out straight away that the "rules" for channels
>>> we manage on freenode should allow us to have a private channel as it's for
>>> a "diversity type" reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Susie,
>>>
>>> Well... but the TC just passed a resolution to prevent private IRC
>>> channels. [1] I'd like to see us agreeing to that guidance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was going to propose we use the existing open #openstack-opw channel,
>>> which we use for the Outreach Program for Women, now named Outreachy. Since
>>> -opw isn't the name of the program any more, we could rename the channel
>>> #openstack-women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've talked to people who run channels with a requirement upon entry of
>>> answering the question in the affirmative, "Do you agree to our terms (with
>>> a link to the terms)?" If someone doesn't answer or hedges, then they are
>>> kicked. If they still come back, but won't agree to the terms, they are
>>> banned. Thing is, that turns into a trollbait channel and you have to have
>>> 24x7 coverage to ask and if you don't get the answer you need, to kick,
>>> then ban the person who won't agree to the terms. I'm not sure we need that
>>> level of filter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My proposal would be to re-use the existing #openstack-opw channel,
>>> renaming to #openstack-women (keeping with some other patterns in open
>>> source [2]), and keeping it public. We should also decide if an agreement
>>> upon entry is the way we want to go with this to help with the goal of
>>> ensuring the channel remains open but with known goals for interaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you all think?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. http://governance.openstack.org/reference/irc.html
>>>
>>> 2. http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/IRC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Technically I've found a person with admin rights who is willing to help
>>> set this up. I'm happy to help with any maintenance if there is any also. I
>>> think it should also be non-logged to add to it being a "safe-space" for us
>>> to just chat.
>>>
>>> We will also need volunteers to write up some documentation with links
>>> to websites which are appropriate to 000 baby/completely non technical folk
>>> in order to help them get set up and running. A lot of the technology us
>>> techies take for granted is very very scary to non-technical people and we
>>> need to support all our colleagues not just the techies.
>>>
>>> Currently I was told we needed to run this past the foundation and get
>>> it okayed before going ahead. I am not aware of who to speak to or how this
>>> needs to be approached. Can the organisers help with this please?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -grue-
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