<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div style="direction: inherit;">+UC</div><div style="direction: inherit;"><br></div><div style="direction: inherit;">I also agree that the Product WG/Team understood at this point. I also don't think the term WG necessarily means it is a short-lived WG, the UC identified WGs as task-oriented or long-term/marker-oriented and therefore the name could stay the same IMHO and not have implications on the implied longevity of the team. Look forward to the discussion at the next meeting!</div><div><br>On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Barrett, Carol L <<a href="mailto:carol.l.barrett@intel.com">carol.l.barrett@intel.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Lauren - I just read your comments and agree the charter is broader than User Stories. </span><br><span></span><br><span>We'll see what ideas others have and then bring it into a team meeting to finalize direction.</span><br><span>Thanks</span><br><span>Carol</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Lauren Sell [<a href="mailto:lauren@openstack.org">mailto:lauren@openstack.org</a>] </span><br><span>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:17 PM</span><br><span>To: Barrett, Carol L <<a href="mailto:carol.l.barrett@intel.com">carol.l.barrett@intel.com</a>></span><br><span>Cc: Kenny Johnston <<a href="mailto:kenny@kencjohnston.com">kenny@kencjohnston.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:product-wg@lists.openstack.org">product-wg@lists.openstack.org</a></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story Team</span><br><span></span><br><span>My email just crossed paths with yours, Carol :)</span><br><span></span><br><span>I don’t think the term Product scares many people away and it’s a known entity at this point. If you think a name change is warranted, I like the broader terms you propose...</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Dec 6, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Barrett, Carol L <<a href="mailto:carol.l.barrett@intel.com">carol.l.barrett@intel.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>HI Kenny - Where did you find the definition of WG vs Team? I thought it was the other way around (teams = short term; WG = long term).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think there are pros & cons to changing names. One of the notables being name recognition.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>That said, I think this is a good discussion for us to have. If we are going to change from Product, then some of the things that come to mind are: Market Requirements or Planning.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thoughts?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Carol</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Kenny Johnston [<a href="mailto:kenny@kencjohnston.com">mailto:kenny@kencjohnston.com</a>] </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:57 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:product-wg@lists.openstack.org">product-wg@lists.openstack.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Product] Proposal - Rename our Group to the User Story Team</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - There has been some recent discussion around what it means to be a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Working Group vs Team, with one of the guiding principles highlighted being</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> that Working Groups should be short-lived in nature, whereas Teams can</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> exist in perpetuity</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - Given our role as the reviewers of the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> openstack/openstack-user-stories repository[1], I believe we should exist</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> in perpetuity</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - The term "Product" has implied a number of things that I think we no</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> longer intend:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - That our membership is made exclusively Product managers</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - That it is our role to treat OpenStack like a "product"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - That we serve only those organizations who build products around</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> OpenStack</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For these reasons I'd like to propose that we change our name to the User Story team. I thought I would start the discussion here and ask that we add it as an agenda item for next week's meeting[2].</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thoughts? High-fives? Boos?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kenny Johnston | irc:kencjohnston | @kencjohnston [1] <a href="https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories">https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[2] <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Product-wg mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Product-wg@lists.openstack.org">Product-wg@lists.openstack.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Product-wg mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Product-wg@lists.openstack.org">Product-wg@lists.openstack.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Product-wg mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Product-wg@lists.openstack.org">Product-wg@lists.openstack.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>