<div dir="ltr">That's a great set of achievements, and I know you've been working hard at the centre of most of that stuff :) I'd hope that the WG can be a focal point for achieving more in that field as well as encouraging wider participation. As I've said before I think there are both technical and non-technical opportunities here - as an example one of the threads I've highlighted is how we can encourage wider uptake, which might try to mitigate technical issues around on-boarding, but could also approach joint marketing activity such as case studies and community participation. I also think there's important work to be done on considering the emerging multi-cloud world, and how as a community we can position ourselves effectively for that - again that touches on both technical and non-technical spheres. I'm sure there are many other opportunities, and I'm really looking forward to getting input from the group as we start to develop the remit and goals. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:13 AM, David F Flanders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:flanders@openstack.org" target="_blank">flanders@openstack.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">TL;DR = suggested set of tasks which public clouds achieved last year and which we should review to build upon for next year.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">As a starter for ten, here are a few potential working group tasks which several Public Clouds achieved this previous year (despite lack of the WG label):</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">a.) <b>providing demo accounts for n00b Cloud App Dev Teams </b>as they participated in hackathons and local meetup events. <-- Building on the 500+ CloudApp n00bs who used these accounts it would be great to figure out a streamlined process for awarding these accounts so as to attract *and retain* more customers to the public clouds. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">OVH had a nice little loyatly card which was passed out in Barcelona. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Jean-Daniel, could you provide some insight in how this card was organised and provided?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">b. ) <b>sending trainers to community events </b>to get cloud app teams going on the use of Shade as the goto Python library for first time cloud app dev. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Bruno could you and Josh talk to your experience for how to better propose training at conferences and the kind of helpers required to run good training (esp PyCon USA, EuroPython and other Python related events)?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">c.) <b>participation at the summit OpenStack Academy</b> acting as mentors during the 'Training Games' and self-paced 'Cloud App Labs' lounge. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Petter/Gene could you talk further about how the lounge could be improved for Public Cloud providers so they can more easily win over users by walking them through the training?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Joanna could you talk to the training provided and why we need Public Clouds to have dedicated support for on-boarding new users?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">d.) <b>update, testing and screencasts of how various cloud app interfaces work atop openstack </b>(APIs/SDKs, Containers, PaaS and other Cloud App interfaces). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Marcella/Victor could you suggest some further ways we could advance how we get teams of AppDev ready to compete in Hackathons and other events as virtual learning (vs face to face training).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">e.) <b>shared marketing (data points) for how public clouds can present themselves at the myriad of local (smaller) events worldwide</b>, demonstrating how they are providing an Open set of APIs which make them the largest cloud in the world, when interoperably federated.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">@Mike/Ildiko can you circulate your forthcoming interview to the UK Universities and why engaging at smaller events is essential for customer engagement?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">All of the above I've highlighted as they have helped achieve the following for Public Clouds:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">1.) help obtain more customers for public clouds, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">2.) raise the public cloud profile as greater than the sum of their (datacentre) parts, and</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">3.) help jointly advertise and make the wider OpenStack *choice* of the marketplace known to the world world.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Looking forward to hearing other ideas and building on the above for 2017.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Kind Regards, </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">David F. Flanders</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 8:22 PM, matt Jarvis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@mattjarvis.org.uk" target="_blank">matt@mattjarvis.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Absolutely agree with your comments. There's an initial process and milestones we will have to go through where we start to identify what those outputs can be. We'll define those milestones as part of the first couple of meetings.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_6094529582339149693h5">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 4:13 AM, David F Flanders <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dff.openstack@gmail.com" target="_blank">dff.openstack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_6094529582339149693h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">+1 for *quantifiable output(s)* as 'measure of success' for successful working groups.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">TL;DR= Disclaimer: the below is mostly anecdotal, very happy to engage in a
conversation for what others feel are patterns of success for a
[User]-WG. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">For example, WGs which have clear outputs like the following are the ones whose membership increases (as opposed to long-standing 'talk shop' WGs, whose membership slowly fades[1] <-- from my observations). <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Examples of WG task success IMHO [2]:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> - The Scientific-WG (lead by Cambridge Uni) produced the HPC atop OpenStack book, of which ~250 copies were given out at Super Computing, with significant BoF and panels attendance as quantifiable evidence of their success.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> - The AppEco-WG (lead by Intel) produced their report / whitePaper on API/SDK usability which lead to the creation ShadeSDK training which has been used to help get 500+ hackathon participants using OpenStack as part of their hacks.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> - The Fault-Genes-WG has a database of examples they are curating planned along with accompany white paper.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- The Enterprise-WG has an 'Moving Apps to OpenStack' book currently being completed.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">- The CloudAppHack-WG (with a wonderfully simple remit) provides coordination, advice and guidance to community members who want to run an 'application hackathon' (and connects them with the sponsors required to do so).<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'd really like to see the PublicClouds-WG start with, "what are some tasks which group members need to do already as part of their day job, and whom else might want to jump in and help because it benefits their job's remit'. Often it is 1-3 people who are the driving force behind these outputs with the rest of WG acting as an essential sounding board.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>[1]= NB there is a good place for WGs who are 'talk shops' as well, but with
the understanding that their should be a declared time limit and date
for achieving a public declaration (and close of the WG). See 'Boston Open Science Cloud Congress and forthcoming Declaration' efforts.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">[2]= As per all my public correspondence, this is me responding in my capacity as a community member (not necessarily the PoV of the Foundation).<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Best, Flanders<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_6094529582339149693m_-8032935132013788073h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Stefano Maffulli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefano@openstack.org" target="_blank">stefano@openstack.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello folks,<br>
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On 11/15/2016 02:43 AM, matt Jarvis wrote:<br>
> I'd like to propose that, in line with the new process for creation of<br>
> working groups, we set up some initial IRC meetings for all interested<br>
> parties.<br>
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</span>I'll be glad to read summaries and participate to conversations on the<br>
mailing list on this topic. I can't commit to join IRC meetings.<br>
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> The goals for these initial meetings would be :<br>
><br>
> 1. Define the overall scope and mission statement for the working group<br>
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</span>I would suggest to make sure scope and mission include a very<br>
quantifiable output of the WG, as this is not clear to me at the moment.<br>
What is this group hoping to produce?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
stef<br>
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PS I read all the messages on this mailing list, you don't need to<br>
explicitly cc me.<br>
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