<div dir="ltr">Based on this thread, I'd be happy to organise and chair an initial IRC meeting to discuss the potential scope. Might need a steer from Edgar on some of the finer points of the IRC meeting system !</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:33 AM, Edgar Magana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edgar.magana@workday.com" target="_blank">edgar.magana@workday.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Yes, the process has changed. The most important thing is that we want any new (and existing) WG to create some momentum without the proper official “approval” from the User Committee.
Once you have some work done and some activities delivered we could process the approval from UC.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">So, far nothing will stop you to have IRC meetings, create your milestones and deliver some goals.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, November 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Edgar Magana <<a href="mailto:edgar.magana@workday.com" target="_blank">edgar.magana@workday.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:user-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">user-committee@lists.<wbr>openstack.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:user-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">user-committee@lists.<wbr>openstack.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Bruno Morel <<a href="mailto:bmorel@internap.com" target="_blank">bmorel@internap.com</a>>, Matt Jarvis <<a href="mailto:matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk" target="_blank">matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk</a><wbr>>, Sean Handley <<a href="mailto:sean.handley@datacentred.co.uk" target="_blank">sean.handley@datacentred.co.<wbr>uk</a>>, Jean-Daniel Bonnetot <<a href="mailto:jean-daniel.bonnetot@corp.ovh.com" target="_blank">jean-daniel.bonnetot@corp.<wbr>ovh.com</a>>, Stefano Maffulli <<a href="mailto:stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.com" target="_blank">stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.<wbr>com</a>></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [User-committee] Public Cloud Working Group<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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One slight suggestion: in writing up the scope (and anti-scope) of the WG, consideration should be made for how the group will work with other related WGs (and potentially co-located in meeting times).
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a.) how the public clouds could be providing guidance for the use of Shade SDK for AppDev a la AppEco-WG, and
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b.) how the public clouds can continue to support the CloudAppHack-WG in providing cloud accounts for hackathon participants <- pretty plz
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^^@Edgar is this the latest version, re having 2x chairs and suggested times for timezone straddling betwen EU/USA/APAC?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">So when ca we submit this to the User Committee ?... I think with have the critical mass :)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:user-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">user-committee@lists.<wbr>openstack.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:user-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">user-committee@lists.<wbr>openstack.org</a>><br>
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I think this is a great suggestion from Sean, and I agree with the words from Curtis as well.
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I work at a public cloud company and during our years with OpenStack we have seen a lot of things not suited for a public cloud. As Sean mentions, public cloud providers do their own fixes to get around this, and it would be much better with a joined force
contributing this back to the community in a structured way.<br>
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<pre>I’d like to propose a working group for public cloud operators to help<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>deliver features across projects that support the needs of OpenStack public<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>cloud operators:<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>I no longer work at a public cloud, but if I was I would think this<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>I think there is a class of what I would call regional public clouds,<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>organizations worth supporting as much as possible. Speaking as<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>someone who used to work at one, it is invaluable to have peers to<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>discuss similar issues with. I would be very surprised if any of these<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>regional clouds feel as through they are fully staffed, and in fact<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>are often quite small. The ability to band together to solve common<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>problems and implement common solutions is extremely powerful, and I<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>think exactly what a working group would do.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Further, I do believe there is enough difference in the requirements<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>but often) solve problems by telling their users not to do something,<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>"it's against company policy", or even not supporting the feature,<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>whereas that is harder in a public cloud. Even the simple difference<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>of the fact that their APIs are available on the Internet is a<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>considerable change from a typical, IMHO, private cloud. Those are<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>just a couple examples. Certainly some would disagree with me, but I<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>feel there is fairly substantial difference between running a private<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Curtis.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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