Any possibility to put this up at gerrit so that these discussions are tracked.<br><br>On Friday, July 22, 2016, Caballero Abraham, Rodrigo <<a href="mailto:rodrigo.caballero.abraham@intel.com">rodrigo.caballero.abraham@intel.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Igor <span>Marnat</span> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','imarnat@mirantis.com');" target="_blank">imarnat@mirantis.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:37 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Sun, Yih Leong <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yih.leong.sun@intel.com');" target="_blank">yih.leong.sun@intel.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Stefano <span>Maffulli</span> <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stefano@openstack.org');" target="_blank">stefano@openstack.org</a>>; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','user-committee@lists.openstack.org');" target="_blank">user-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [User-committee] [app] What is an App?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I'd say that "built using", "deployed atop" and "run atop" from the first part describes relationships between Apps and OpenStack in more specific manner than "has direct
interaction" from the last one. Latter one is somewhat vague, isn't it?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:33 AM, Sun, Yih Leong <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yih.leong.sun@intel.com');" target="_blank">yih.leong.sun@intel.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I also think that the 3rd point is too wide. We should target on application that has "direct interaction" with OpenStack
components.<br>
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Cloud applications in the perspective of the App Ecosystem Working Group include<br>
1. applications built using OpenStack SDK’s or API’s; or<br>
2. applications deployed atop OpenStack using Heat, Murano, or 3rd party deployment/management tools (e.g.
<span>ansible</span>, puppet, chef); or<br>
3. <span>PaaS</span> platform that run atop OpenStack (e.g. <span>
CloudFoundry</span>, <span>OpenShift</span>, k8s)<br>
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In fact, the above three can be summarized into one "generalized statement":<br>
An OpenStack application is an application, toolset or platform that has direct interaction with OpenStack services, its API or SDKs.<br>
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<span>From: Christopher <span>Aedo</span> [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','doc@aedo.net');" target="_blank">doc@aedo.net</a>]</span><br>
<span>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:14 PM</span><br>
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<span>Cc: Stefano <span>Maffulli</span> <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stefano@openstack.org');" target="_blank">stefano@openstack.org</a>>;
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<span>Subject: Re: [User-committee] [app] What is an App?</span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM,
<span>Sterrett</span>, Craig <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','craig.sterrett@intel.com');" target="_blank">craig.sterrett@intel.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Stefano <span>Maffulli</span> <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stefano@openstack.org');" target="_blank">stefano@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On 07/20/2016 02:21 PM, Montenegro, Patricia wrote:<br>
>>> As promised here’s the draft I propose we vote on next meeting:<br>
>><br>
>> I'm glad we're using the mailing list some more, thanks for the nudge.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm rewriting the definition using bullet points to make it more readable:<br>
>><br>
>> Cloud applications in the perspective of the App Ecosystem Working<br>
>> Group include<br>
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>> * applications built using OpenStack SDK’s or API’s; or<br>
>> * applications deployed atop OpenStack using Heat, Murano, or<br>
>> 3rd party deployment/management tools; or<br>
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>> (this includes <span>ansible</span>, puppet, chef, <span>
etc</span>, correct?)<br>
>><br>
>> * applications running within containers, or <span>PaaS</span> solution<br>
>> atop OpenStack.<br>
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>> This is last part I am not convinced about.<br>
>><br>
>> <span>PaaS</span> on top of OpenStack is <span>PaaS</span>, traditionally has been outside of<br>
>> OpenStack scope. <span>CloudFoundry</span> or <span>
OpenShift</span> or k8s or the next thing<br>
>> are<br>
>> *applications* for OpenStack, and OpenStack should serve them, not<br>
>> what runs on top of them (on top of OpenStack).<br>
>><br>
>> I fear we get the scope of this group too wide if we define<br>
>> "OpenStack Applications" as applications that run on <span>CloudFoundry</span> or
<span>Docker</span> Swarm.<br>
>><br>
>> Other thoughts?<br>
> Yes to "(this includes <span>ansible</span>, puppet, chef, <span>
etc</span>, correct?)"<br>
> I don't know if we can put in sample names because I don't feel like we want to promote one over the other since they are not OpenStack products, but if people think it's OK, then lets add some.<br>
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> I personally feel like we need to include the 3rd bullet, for <span>
PaaS</span>/containers, because it's such a hot topic, just look at how many of the talks in Austin were
<span>Kubernetes</span>, <span>Docker</span>, etc. I don't know how much we will do, or can do to support apps on top of those solutions, but personally I feel like we need to at least mention them.<br>
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Thank you Patricia and Craig for putting this together!<br>
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I agree with Stefano to a degree on this. The third bullet seems too wide to me since it kind of skips an abstraction layer (at least the way I'm thinking about this). I also agree that we need to cover the containers and
<span>PaaS</span> as well though. What about shortening it to:<br>
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* <span>PaaS</span> and container solutions running atop OpenStack<br>
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That's clearer to me, in that we're still considering the concepts of container solutions (like
<span>kubernetes</span>) and <span>PaaS</span> solutions but putting the focus at that layer rather than what runs above them? Then we're still talking about the things that touch OpenStack so it's consistent with the other bullet.<br>
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-Christopher<br>
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> Craig <span>Sterrett</span><br>
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>> /<span>stef</span><br>
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