<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">OK, I took the conversation to the Foundation mailing list. Please feel free to comment there or in the etherpad if you are interested in participating:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2016-June/002396.html" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2016-June/002396.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If it seems like most folks agree with the proposed changes, we’ll get this in front of the Board before the meeting next week. If it seems like there’s more discussion to be had, we’ll defer to a future meeting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Lauren Sell <<a href="mailto:lauren@openstack.org" class="">lauren@openstack.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Michael,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I made a few updates to the modified version in the etherpad:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Added back in the “respect the election process” bullet, because it’s important that we be explicit about elections in the CoC</div><div class="">- Added the reporting guidelines, based very closely on the process we developed for the Summit (with help from the Ada Initiative and based on the Python conference CoC a few years ago)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CoC" class="">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CoC</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We have 10 minutes on the agenda at the June 28th board meeting to discuss, which means we should ideally get proposed updates in front of the board to preview as soon as possible. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think this version is ready to socialize for community feedback on a broader mailing list. I know the Diversity Committee was interested in the project and primarily uses the Foundation mailing list, so that seems like the best forum for them to also weigh in.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Would you like to take the lead or would you prefer I send it out?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Lauren</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Lauren Sell <<a href="mailto:lauren@openstack.org" class="">lauren@openstack.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div style="" class=""><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Hi Michael,</p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Sorry I missed your email last
week while I was traveling. The next steps you mentioned sound good to me,
and you should feel empowered to move forward. I'm out of the office
tomorrow but can dig into the outstanding details around reporting protocol
next week. </p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Like you said, I think the next
steps are to socialize the edits with the community (probably foundation
and community mailing lists) and then present the updated version to the
board for approval. I'm happy to help arrange the latter, and will reach
out now to see if there's room in the june 28th meeting.</p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Thanks for pushing on this. I
agree it's important to get across the finish line!</p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Thanks,<br class="">
Lauren<br class=""><br class=""></p>
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June 16, 2016 5:19:51 PM Michael Krotscheck <<a href="mailto:krotscheck@gmail.com" class="">krotscheck@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Hey everyone!<br class=""><br class="">I've reached out to Lauren and
Cindy on this issue to offer my help but haven't gotten a response.
Given the tricky nature of gender discrimination, I don't feel
comfortable (as a white male) taking on this work without their guidance,
as it is likely to negatively impact its legitimacy. I'm sensitive to
that "Male Privilege swoop-in-and-take-over" thing, so I'll
leave it in the capable hands of Lauren and Cindy. <br class=""><span style="line-height:1.5" class=""><br class=""></span><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(38,50,56);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16px" class="">I
support this effort and what it means for the community but started this
discussion because it looked like this important work might be stalling,
but maybe it's just that I don't know where to look for the next
steps & how I can help.</span><span style="line-height:1.5" class=""> Could
someone direct me to where I can follow along in the discussions and maybe
participate when I'm able to find the time between my other projects?
This is really important to the community and I don't want to lose
track of what's going on here.</span><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">Thanks!<div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Michael Krotscheck</div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, May 6,
2016 at 3:00 PM Matt Jarvis <<a href="mailto:matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk" target="_blank" class="">matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">that's sad to hear Doug, 2 is definitely 2 too many. What do
you think the drivers are for that kind of behaviour - are there cultural
elements involved or is it just purely inappropriate behaviour in your
experience ? </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On
6 May 2016 at 22:51, Doug Hellmann <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank" class="">doug@doughellmann.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Excerpts
from Matt Jarvis's message of 2016-05-06 22:24:55 +0100:<br class="">
<span class="">> I have to say that I've never seen any of that kind of
behaviour in my time<br class="">
> in the community, which is not to say it might not be happening
elsewhere.<br class="">
> As we become a global community though, with all our brilliant
cultural<br class="">
> differences as human beings, it is probably a good idea to set the<br class="">
> acceptable parameters in terms of how we interact with each other.<br class="">
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</span>I'm personally aware of at least 2 episodes of harassment
against women<br class="">
at our summit events. So, yes, this is a problem in our community.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks, Michael, for picking up the work to finish the CoC updates.<br class="">
<span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><br class="">
Doug<br class="">
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> On 6 May 2016 at 22:02, Jonathan Proulx <<a href="mailto:jon@csail.mit.edu" target="_blank" class="">jon@csail.mit.edu</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> > Hi Michael,<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > Good points. We should probably reach out to the Diversity
Working<br class="">
> > Group for their input <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity</a><br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > I'm not particularly familiar with other organization's
codes of<br class="">
> > conduct or more importantly how they have worked in practice.<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > Do you have any suggestions for models to emulate (or avoid)?<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > -Jon<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 08:47:20PM +0000, Michael Krotscheck
wrote:<br class="">
> > :Hello everyone-<br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :OpenStack's Code of Conduct does not have an explicit
discrimination<br class="">
> > :clause, nor does it have any mention of what constitutes
harassment.<br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :<a href="https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/</a><br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :There've been quite a few flashpoints recently, where
individuals acting<br class="">
> > :inside of other open source communities have engaged in
allegedly racist,<br class="">
> > :sexist, and other discriminatory behavior, to the detriment and
loss of<br class="">
> > :their peer contributors. I personally feel that it is only a
matter of<br class="">
> > time<br class="">
> > :before something similar happens inside of our community (if it
hasn't<br class="">
> > :already), and I strongly believe we should decide how we, as a
community,<br class="">
> > :should react should something like this happen, before it
actually does.<br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :I've spoken to a member of the Board of Directors, and their<br class="">
> > recommendation<br class="">
> > :was that the user committee take on this task, and make a
recommendation<br class="">
> > to<br class="">
> > :the Board and the Foundation.<br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :My personal opinion is that a zero-tolerance policy may not be
effective,<br class="">
> > :as it provides little opportunity for correction, education, and<br class="">
> > :redemption. Even so, a policy that does not have teeth will be
little more<br class="">
> > :than lip service.<br class="">
> > :<br class="">
> > :Michael Krotscheck<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > :_______________________________________________<br class="">
> > :User-committee mailing list<br class="">
> > :<a href="mailto:User-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank" class="">User-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br class="">
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> ><br class="">
> > --<br class="">
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