<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I think it's fine for anyone to have a go at revising the statement. We have a diverse group available to review. If you want to proceed, please do.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">There are no active discussions at the moment, at least not in public.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Roland</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 June 2016 at 08:19, Michael Krotscheck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:krotscheck@gmail.com" target="_blank">krotscheck@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hey everyone!<br><br>I've reached out to Lauren and Cindy on this issue to offer my help but haven't gotten a response. Given the tricky nature of gender discrimination, I don't feel comfortable (as a white male) taking on this work without their guidance, as it is likely to negatively impact its legitimacy. I'm sensitive to that "Male Privilege swoop-in-and-take-over" thing, so I'll leave it in the capable hands of Lauren and Cindy. <br><span style="line-height:1.5"><br></span><div><span style="color:rgb(38,50,56);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16px">I support this effort and what it means for the community but started this discussion because it looked like this important work might be stalling, but maybe it's just that I don't know where to look for the next steps & how I can help.</span><span style="line-height:1.5"> Could someone direct me to where I can follow along in the discussions and maybe participate when I'm able to find the time between my other projects? This is really important to the community and I don't want to lose track of what's going on here.</span><div><div><br>Thanks!<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Michael Krotscheck</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM Matt Jarvis <<a href="mailto:matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk" target="_blank">matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">that's sad to hear Doug, 2 is definitely 2 too many. What do you think the drivers are for that kind of behaviour - are there cultural elements involved or is it just purely inappropriate behaviour in your experience ? </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 May 2016 at 22:51, Doug Hellmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Excerpts from Matt Jarvis's message of 2016-05-06 22:24:55 +0100:<br>
<span>> I have to say that I've never seen any of that kind of behaviour in my time<br>
> in the community, which is not to say it might not be happening elsewhere.<br>
> As we become a global community though, with all our brilliant cultural<br>
> differences as human beings, it is probably a good idea to set the<br>
> acceptable parameters in terms of how we interact with each other.<br>
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</span>I'm personally aware of at least 2 episodes of harassment against women<br>
at our summit events. So, yes, this is a problem in our community.<br>
<br>
Thanks, Michael, for picking up the work to finish the CoC updates.<br>
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Doug<br>
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> On 6 May 2016 at 22:02, Jonathan Proulx <<a href="mailto:jon@csail.mit.edu" target="_blank">jon@csail.mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > Hi Michael,<br>
> ><br>
> > Good points. We should probably reach out to the Diversity Working<br>
> > Group for their input <a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not particularly familiar with other organization's codes of<br>
> > conduct or more importantly how they have worked in practice.<br>
> ><br>
> > Do you have any suggestions for models to emulate (or avoid)?<br>
> ><br>
> > -Jon<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 08:47:20PM +0000, Michael Krotscheck wrote:<br>
> > :Hello everyone-<br>
> > :<br>
> > :OpenStack's Code of Conduct does not have an explicit discrimination<br>
> > :clause, nor does it have any mention of what constitutes harassment.<br>
> > :<br>
> > :<a href="https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/</a><br>
> > :<br>
> > :There've been quite a few flashpoints recently, where individuals acting<br>
> > :inside of other open source communities have engaged in allegedly racist,<br>
> > :sexist, and other discriminatory behavior, to the detriment and loss of<br>
> > :their peer contributors. I personally feel that it is only a matter of<br>
> > time<br>
> > :before something similar happens inside of our community (if it hasn't<br>
> > :already), and I strongly believe we should decide how we, as a community,<br>
> > :should react should something like this happen, before it actually does.<br>
> > :<br>
> > :I've spoken to a member of the Board of Directors, and their<br>
> > recommendation<br>
> > :was that the user committee take on this task, and make a recommendation<br>
> > to<br>
> > :the Board and the Foundation.<br>
> > :<br>
> > :My personal opinion is that a zero-tolerance policy may not be effective,<br>
> > :as it provides little opportunity for correction, education, and<br>
> > :redemption. Even so, a policy that does not have teeth will be little more<br>
> > :than lip service.<br>
> > :<br>
> > :Michael Krotscheck<br>
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