From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Mon Mar  4 15:12:15 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:12:15 -0600
Subject: [User-committee] Meeting reminder - NEW TIME - 16:00 UTC in
	#openstack-uc
Message-ID: <CA+eV8igpADhWV88Vw-1=bMHz8XW2wAYRWNN5JZubpTrQ6z4aYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,
Sorry for the late reminder.  We voted last week to have our meetings at
1600 now.  So, we are meeting in about 45 minutes.  See you all there!

Agenda items can be added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc

Thanks!
VW

-- 
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Senior Manager, Software Engineering | Salesforce
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From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Mon Mar 11 13:35:08 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:35:08 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] UC meeting reminder - 16:00 UTC
Message-ID: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,
Just a reminder that we have our meting in about an hour and a half.  See
you all in #openstack-uc.

Thanks!
VW

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From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Mon Mar 11 15:20:33 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:20:33 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] UC meeting reminder - 16:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+eV8iiNLWehT4pPUDDmAnaAAhpvrr-C89sS4UCU72-uBE3hJQ@mail.gmail.com>

So, I failed at timezone math.  With DST in the states, the meeting should
actually be in about 40 minutes.

Thanks!
VW

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 8:35 AM Matt Van Winkle <mvanwinkle at salesforce.com>
wrote:

> Hey folks,
> Just a reminder that we have our meting in about an hour and a half.  See
> you all in #openstack-uc.
>
> Thanks!
> VW
>
> --
> Matt Van Winkle
> Senior Manager, Software Engineering | Salesforce
>
>

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From john at jhlconsulting.com  Thu Mar 14 12:34:22 2019
From: john at jhlconsulting.com (John Studarus)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 05:34:22 -0700
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC - Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>

Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
for outreach.

The handles would go on the following table:

https://governance.openstack.org/uc/

Thoughts?

John
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From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Thu Mar 14 14:09:06 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:09:06 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+eV8ijFiddmKU567xBqaiXjw8_q4WDETKZfb4vme_SbP8333A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see an issue with it, but I would let each person decide if they
want their there.  I am fine with mine being listed.

VW

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:36 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
wrote:

> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
> for outreach.
>
> The handles would go on the following table:
>
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>
> Thoughts?
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>


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From Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com  Thu Mar 14 14:32:12 2019
From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:32:12 +0000
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC
	-	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CA+eV8ijFiddmKU567xBqaiXjw8_q4WDETKZfb4vme_SbP8333A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+eV8ijFiddmKU567xBqaiXjw8_q4WDETKZfb4vme_SbP8333A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a9cb6f60f6446379d997d26b2d05b18@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>

Fine with it also.
Also suggest we remove Product team from UC wiki. We disbanded it almost a year ago.

From: Matt Van Winkle <mvanwinkle at salesforce.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:09 AM
To: John Studarus
Cc: user-committee at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC - Twitter


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
I don't see an issue with it, but I would let each person decide if they want their there.  I am fine with mine being listed.

VW

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:36 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com<mailto:john at jhlconsulting.com>> wrote:
Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means for outreach.

The handles would go on the following table:

https://governance.openstack.org/uc/

Thoughts?

John
_______________________________________________
User-committee mailing list
User-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:User-committee at lists.openstack.org>
http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee


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From allison at openstack.org  Thu Mar 14 14:35:53 2019
From: allison at openstack.org (Allison Price)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:35:53 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC
	-	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <6a9cb6f60f6446379d997d26b2d05b18@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+eV8ijFiddmKU567xBqaiXjw8_q4WDETKZfb4vme_SbP8333A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <B42EB7E2-26E8-43DC-888D-AE239F9DA0AD@openstack.org>

Yeah, I think that we should review the entire list of Teams and Working Groups in the next UC meeting because this page seems quite out of date. 



> On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:32 AM, <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> wrote:
> 
> Fine with it also.
> Also suggest we remove Product team from UC wiki. We disbanded it almost a year ago.
>  
> From: Matt Van Winkle <mvanwinkle at salesforce.com <mailto:mvanwinkle at salesforce.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 9:09 AM
> To: John Studarus
> Cc: user-committee at lists.openstack.org <mailto:user-committee at lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC - Twitter
>  
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] 
> 
> I don't see an issue with it, but I would let each person decide if they want their there.  I am fine with mine being listed.
>  
> VW
>  
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:36 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com <mailto:john at jhlconsulting.com>> wrote:
> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means for outreach.
>  
> The handles would go on the following table:
>  
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/ <https://governance.openstack.org/uc/>
>  
> Thoughts?
>  
> John
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org <mailto:User-committee at lists.openstack.org>
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee>
> 
>  
> -- 
> Matt Van Winkle
> Senior Manager, Software Engineering | Salesforce
> Mobile: 210-445-4183
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee

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From amy at demarco.com  Thu Mar 14 17:02:43 2019
From: amy at demarco.com (Amy Marrich)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:02:43 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>

While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we discarding
the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of maybe promoting
the use of this list for async communications?

Thanks,

Amy (spotz)

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
wrote:

> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
> for outreach.
>
> The handles would go on the following table:
>
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>
> Thoughts?
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>
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From Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com  Thu Mar 14 17:07:05 2019
From: Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com (Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:07:05 +0000
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC
	-	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61d5f522260f4d04998b0aa0ea8510b8@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>

Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open sourced based communication?
Thanks,
Arkady

From: Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
To: John Studarus
Cc: user-committee
Subject: Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC - Twitter


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we discarding the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of maybe promoting the use of this list for async communications?

Thanks,

Amy (spotz)

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com<mailto:john at jhlconsulting.com>> wrote:
Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means for outreach.

The handles would go on the following table:

https://governance.openstack.org/uc/

Thoughts?

John
_______________________________________________
User-committee mailing list
User-committee at lists.openstack.org<mailto:User-committee at lists.openstack.org>
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From amy at demarco.com  Thu Mar 14 17:14:20 2019
From: amy at demarco.com (Amy Marrich)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:14:20 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <61d5f522260f4d04998b0aa0ea8510b8@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <61d5f522260f4d04998b0aa0ea8510b8@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>
Message-ID: <CAFs83Qp=JjF6xhBAiDSH3nAFWzMmVdfzwaLgzVd7egd4HWkP+w@mail.gmail.com>

Arkady,

That is a concern as well as the fact people will not be communicating in
the open, nor will those communications be easily searched for like you can
with the mail archives. Discarding the Open Source aspect, it does take
away from Open Community as well as Open Development.

Amy (spotz)

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> wrote:

> Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
>
> I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
>
> Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open sourced
> based communication?
>
> Thanks,
> Arkady
>
>
>
> *From:* Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
> *To:* John Studarus
> *Cc:* user-committee
> *Subject:* Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
> Twitter
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>
> While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we discarding
> the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of maybe promoting
> the use of this list for async communications?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amy (spotz)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
> wrote:
>
> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
> for outreach.
>
>
>
> The handles would go on the following table:
>
>
>
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>
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From joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 20:37:39 2019
From: joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com (Joseph Sandoval)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:37:39 -0700
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAFs83Qp=JjF6xhBAiDSH3nAFWzMmVdfzwaLgzVd7egd4HWkP+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFduwVpPSa8zeWv4L4nDT1s-xuHyG197-fUKtYH+LV1j=S-b=g@mail.gmail.com>

With respect to the 4 Opens. IRC and mailing list are primary means of
communication.
 John, would the intent be by listing Twittter handles this amplifies
communication or are you thinking it could be a safe comm space for a
community member who needs to be off the record?

-jrs (josephrsandoval)

ps: i'm ok with my twitter handle being listed.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:15 AM Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com> wrote:

> Arkady,
>
> That is a concern as well as the fact people will not be communicating in
> the open, nor will those communications be easily searched for like you can
> with the mail archives. Discarding the Open Source aspect, it does take
> away from Open Community as well as Open Development.
>
> Amy (spotz)
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> wrote:
>
>> Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
>>
>> I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
>>
>> Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open
>> sourced based communication?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arkady
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
>> *To:* John Studarus
>> *Cc:* user-committee
>> *Subject:* Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
>> Twitter
>>
>>
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>>
>> While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we
>> discarding the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of
>> maybe promoting the use of this list for async communications?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Amy (spotz)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
>> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
>> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
>> for outreach.
>>
>>
>>
>> The handles would go on the following table:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> User-committee mailing list
>> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>
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From john at jhlconsulting.com  Thu Mar 14 22:53:57 2019
From: john at jhlconsulting.com (John Studarus)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:53:57 -0700
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAFduwVpPSa8zeWv4L4nDT1s-xuHyG197-fUKtYH+LV1j=S-b=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+eV8igxRfZ9ZSaSqBTDPb2z2HGK68_UcvY74JvZ625FrZupdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPZADmy4X9ja=kZzo8bg=zXO+uCcU6nKe+BZCBcE6_3XoGjzfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFs83Qr5brP=6s8W24zSeZ=8gdxTNFoF_f5T+5qvN4mq4jbxgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <61d5f522260f4d04998b0aa0ea8510b8@AUSX13MPS308.AMER.DELL.COM>
 <CAFs83Qp=JjF6xhBAiDSH3nAFWzMmVdfzwaLgzVd7egd4HWkP+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPZADmxHjPzCkuCEnJHvktPsTtNm7tR1YLHf2iCuwiRJ7t+Ynw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm rarely on IRC so I'm looking for a way for people to contact me. Years
past, I had to resort to Twitter DMs to contact the user committee members
since I wasn't on IRC and didn't have email addresses for anyone.

If not Twitter, can we advertise an email addresses to reach the user
committee members individually and as a group?

John

On Thursday, March 14, 2019, Joseph Sandoval <joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com>
wrote:

> With respect to the 4 Opens. IRC and mailing list are primary means of
> communication.
>  John, would the intent be by listing Twittter handles this amplifies
> communication or are you thinking it could be a safe comm space for a
> community member who needs to be off the record?
>
> -jrs (josephrsandoval)
>
> ps: i'm ok with my twitter handle being listed.
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:15 AM Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com> wrote:
>
>> Arkady,
>>
>> That is a concern as well as the fact people will not be communicating in
>> the open, nor will those communications be easily searched for like you can
>> with the mail archives. Discarding the Open Source aspect, it does take
>> away from Open Community as well as Open Development.
>>
>> Amy (spotz)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
>>>
>>> I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
>>>
>>> Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open
>>> sourced based communication?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Arkady
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
>>> *To:* John Studarus
>>> *Cc:* user-committee
>>> *Subject:* Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC
>>> - Twitter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>>>
>>> While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we
>>> discarding the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of
>>> maybe promoting the use of this list for async communications?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amy (spotz)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
>>> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
>>> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
>>> for outreach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The handles would go on the following table:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> User-committee mailing list
>>> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> User-committee mailing list
>> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>>
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From allison at openstack.org  Fri Mar 15 20:58:00 2019
From: allison at openstack.org (Allison Price)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:58:00 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
In-Reply-To: <CAPZADmxHjPzCkuCEnJHvktPsTtNm7tR1YLHf2iCuwiRJ7t+Ynw@mail.gmail.com>
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I think that there is a distinction here that could be made, and perhaps a mix of channels works :) On resources like the governance page [1] where official UC communication channels are placed, I think that we should continue to promote this mailing list and the #openstack-uc IRC channel as the official places where folks can have access to the UC members. However, if you want to use your Twitter handle to promote your availability to the community, I think that could be something that you personally promote as well. 

Allison

[1] https://governance.openstack.org/uc/ 

> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:53 PM, John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm rarely on IRC so I'm looking for a way for people to contact me. Years past, I had to resort to Twitter DMs to contact the user committee members since I wasn't on IRC and didn't have email addresses for anyone. 
> 
> If not Twitter, can we advertise an email addresses to reach the user committee members individually and as a group?
> 
> John
> 
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019, Joseph Sandoval <joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com>> wrote:
> With respect to the 4 Opens. IRC and mailing list are primary means of communication. 
>  John, would the intent be by listing Twittter handles this amplifies communication or are you thinking it could be a safe comm space for a community member who needs to be off the record? 
> 
> -jrs (josephrsandoval)
> 
> ps: i'm ok with my twitter handle being listed. 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:15 AM Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com <mailto:amy at demarco.com>> wrote:
> Arkady,
> 
> That is a concern as well as the fact people will not be communicating in the open, nor will those communications be easily searched for like you can with the mail archives. Discarding the Open Source aspect, it does take away from Open Community as well as Open Development.
> 
> Amy (spotz)
> 
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com <mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com>> wrote:
> Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
> 
> I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
> 
> Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open sourced based communication?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arkady
> 
>  
> 
> From: Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com <mailto:amy at demarco.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
> To: John Studarus
> Cc: user-committee
> Subject: Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC - Twitter
> 
>  
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> 
> While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we discarding the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of maybe promoting the use of this list for async communications?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Amy (spotz)
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com <mailto:john at jhlconsulting.com>> wrote:
> 
> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means for outreach.
> 
>  
> 
> The handles would go on the following table:
> 
>  
> 
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/ <https://governance.openstack.org/uc/>
>  
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org <mailto:User-committee at lists.openstack.org>
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee>_______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org <mailto:User-committee at lists.openstack.org>
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee>
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee

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From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Mon Mar 18 14:24:52 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:24:52 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] Meeting Reminder - 16:00UTC
Message-ID: <CA+eV8ihJm-QUWbCxj7ZWMLgto1cewU+64x=AQ0KcR9bTUh-sAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
Based on last week's meeting, we will hold at the 16:00 UTC mark this week.
This isn't ideal for West Coast members or the Foundation staff since the
time change.  Next week, we will back it up an hour to 15:00 UTC.  This
won't be great for EU members until the following week.  However handling
it this way distributes the off timing as evenly as possible so that
hopefully, everyone can make at least one of the next two meetings.


See you all in about an hour and a half!

VW

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From john at jhlconsulting.com  Tue Mar 19 21:46:18 2019
From: john at jhlconsulting.com (John Studarus)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:46:18 -0700
Subject: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC -
	Twitter
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I've proposed a fix that will link the Governance page to the correct Wiki
which has the UC mailing list on it. This addresses my main issue of making
it easy for people to find us! I'm OK with using the mailing list rather
than individual contacts (email or Twitter).

https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644686/1

John

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 1:58 PM Allison Price <allison at openstack.org> wrote:

> I think that there is a distinction here that could be made, and perhaps a
> mix of channels works :) On resources like the governance page [1] where
> official UC communication channels are placed, I think that we should
> continue to promote this mailing list and the #openstack-uc IRC channel as
> the official places where folks can have access to the UC members. However,
> if you want to use your Twitter handle to promote your availability to the
> community, I think that could be something that you personally promote as
> well.
>
> Allison
>
> [1] https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>
> On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:53 PM, John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I'm rarely on IRC so I'm looking for a way for people to contact me. Years
> past, I had to resort to Twitter DMs to contact the user committee members
> since I wasn't on IRC and didn't have email addresses for anyone.
>
> If not Twitter, can we advertise an email addresses to reach the user
> committee members individually and as a group?
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019, Joseph Sandoval <joseph.r.sandoval at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> With respect to the 4 Opens. IRC and mailing list are primary means of
>> communication.
>>  John, would the intent be by listing Twittter handles this amplifies
>> communication or are you thinking it could be a safe comm space for a
>> community member who needs to be off the record?
>>
>> -jrs (josephrsandoval)
>>
>> ps: i'm ok with my twitter handle being listed.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:15 AM Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Arkady,
>>>
>>> That is a concern as well as the fact people will not be communicating
>>> in the open, nor will those communications be easily searched for like you
>>> can with the mail archives. Discarding the Open Source aspect, it does take
>>> away from Open Community as well as Open Development.
>>>
>>> Amy (spotz)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM <Arkady.Kanevsky at dell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amy, what are 4open with respect to user community?
>>>>
>>>> I always viewed users are one of 4 Os.
>>>>
>>>> Are you thinking that for open communication we must only use open
>>>> sourced based communication?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Arkady
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Amy Marrich <amy at demarco.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:03 PM
>>>> *To:* John Studarus
>>>> *Cc:* user-committee
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [User-committee] alternative contact details beyond IRC
>>>> - Twitter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>>>>
>>>> While I don't mind having my twitter handle on the page, are we
>>>> discarding the Four Opens by encouraging the use of Twitter instead of
>>>> maybe promoting the use of this list for async communications?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amy (spotz)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:34 AM John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would there be any objections to adding Twitter handles to the user
>>>> committee details in addition to IRC? I'm trying to open up the lines of
>>>> communications beyond IRC and I've found Twitter to be a good async means
>>>> for outreach.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The handles would go on the following table:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> User-committee mailing list
>>>> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> User-committee mailing list
>>> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee
>
>
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From john at jhlconsulting.com  Tue Mar 19 21:50:26 2019
From: john at jhlconsulting.com (John Studarus)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:50:26 -0700
Subject: [User-committee] Working Groups & UC Teams Outreach
Message-ID: <CAPZADmyHQj0tS29BL0L=P2LZMfdKmXvwDASv7+pc5E9-zh2MdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does the UC have a list of PoCs (email addresses?) at each of the Working
Groups and UC Teams as listed at:

https://governance.openstack.org/uc/index.html

I'd like to gather details as to which ones are active and which ones have
disbanded to present at the next UC meeting.

John
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From ashlee at openstack.org  Fri Mar 22 16:13:54 2019
From: ashlee at openstack.org (Ashlee Ferguson)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:13:54 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] Working Groups & UC Teams Outreach
In-Reply-To: <CAPZADmyHQj0tS29BL0L=P2LZMfdKmXvwDASv7+pc5E9-zh2MdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPZADmyHQj0tS29BL0L=P2LZMfdKmXvwDASv7+pc5E9-zh2MdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D95E17B9-3F57-4B14-A187-484EA8A03E13@openstack.org>

Hey John,

Here’s the list we just used for BoF/WG space request outreach: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19j5CiPm3maFnEVCijGcWsPGaik_CRx59surQ1T71k8U/edit?usp=sharing

I believe the wiki is a little out of date, but the sheet above should be mostly accurate.

Ashlee 




> On Mar 19, 2019, at 4:50 PM, John Studarus <john at jhlconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> Does the UC have a list of PoCs (email addresses?) at each of the Working Groups and UC Teams as listed at:
> 
> https://governance.openstack.org/uc/index.html <https://governance.openstack.org/uc/index.html>
> 
> I'd like to gather details as to which ones are active and which ones have disbanded to present at the next UC meeting.
> 
> John
> _______________________________________________
> User-committee mailing list
> User-committee at lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/user-committee

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From mvanwinkle at salesforce.com  Mon Mar 25 12:37:40 2019
From: mvanwinkle at salesforce.com (Matt Van Winkle)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:37:40 -0500
Subject: [User-committee] Meeting reminder - Moving to 15:00 UTC today
Message-ID: <CA+eV8igGrKWQ70ZvC7DKfLb8KgGwLiL7WWb_E--9SvAHX1WnWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Per our last couple of meetings, we'll move to 15:00 UTC today. This
balances things across the various timezone changes as our last members
should see theirs this weekend.  We should be able to stay at this time
until at least the next election.

See you all in a bout 2 and half hours!

VW

-- 
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