Open Stack

Yes to "(this includes ansible, puppet, chef, etc, correct?)"
I don't know if we can put in sample names because I don't feel like we want to promote one over the other since they are not OpenStack products, but if people think it's OK, then lets add some.  

I personally feel like we need to include the 3rd bullet, for PaaS/containers, because it's such a hot topic, just look at how many of the talks in Austin were Kubernetes, Docker, etc.  I don't know how much we will do, or can do to support apps on top of those solutions, but personally I feel like we need to at least mention them.

Craig Sterrett 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stefano at openstack.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:49 PM
To: user-committee at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [User-committee] [app] What is an App?

On 07/20/2016 02:21 PM, Montenegro, Patricia wrote:
> As promised here's the draft I propose we vote on next meeting:

I'm glad we're using the mailing list some more, thanks for the nudge.

I'm rewriting the definition using bullet points to make it more readable:

	Cloud applications in the perspective of the App Ecosystem Working
	Group include

	  * applications built using OpenStack SDK's or API's; or
	  * applications deployed atop OpenStack using Heat, Murano, or
	    3rd party deployment/management tools; or

(this includes ansible, puppet, chef, etc, correct?)

	  * applications running within containers, or PaaS solution
	    atop OpenStack.

This is last part I am not convinced about.

PaaS on top of OpenStack is PaaS, traditionally has been outside of OpenStack scope. CloudFoundry or OpenShift or k8s or the next thing are
*applications* for OpenStack, and OpenStack should serve them, not what runs on top of them (on top of OpenStack).

I fear we get the scope of this group too wide if we define "OpenStack Applications" as applications that run on CloudFoundry or Docker Swarm.

Other thoughts?

/stef

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