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By the way team,
I suggest we have these discussions on etherpad instead of email threads.
Friendly to community and easier for multiple parties to work and comment on it simultaneously.
I expected the discussion on agenda for next meeting to be done on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-midcycle

Cheers,
Arkady

-----Original Message-----
From: Kanevsky, Arkady 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:13 AM
To: 'Andreas Jaeger'; product-wg at lists.openstack.org
Subject: RE: [Product] Reference Architectures

Great discussion.
I had attended Enterprise WG meeting at Kilo meeting.
While some of discussions were outside the scope of what OpenStack can do several actually do.

Here is the list I had compiled:
1. Support for upgrade and update. (nova made the most strides on that. And some of the code was moved to Oslo and is used by others. Cinder and Heat are starting to use it for their upgrade. But till all "core" projects support non-disruptive upgrade the whole openstack solution cannot be upgrade either. There are tons of caveat, including HA, live migration to make it truly upgradable. For updates, if we maintain some discipline, like not update DB schema, we should be close.) Need in depth dive into it.

2. Applications certified to work on OpenStack. This is outside of OpenStack code base or any current work. 

3. Solution validator as part of OpenStack code base. We have Tempest, Grenade and Rally as OpenStack code base. But they are mostly targeted for internal CI and not as released component.

There is always whining and complaining that OpenStack does not take into account Enterprise application requirements into account. Mostly about resiliency, and performance guarantees. And we can do some work on that also.

Let's pick a couple we can make impact on instead of boiling the ocean.


See you all  next week.
Arkady

Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D.
Director of SW development
Dell ESG
Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-47
Round Rock, TX 78682, USA
Phone: 512 723 5264

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:aj at suse.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:54 AM
To: product-wg at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [Product] Reference Architectures

On 01/19/2015 09:51 PM, Shamail wrote:
> Hi Rocky,
> 
> I changed the topic to separate the voting from the RA topic that you mentioned.  I think it's a good idea but I would be glad to share a "user reference architecture" initiative that the WTE (Win The Enterprise) WG is planning to work on ASAP.  This concept is slightly different from what you described below since these reference architectures will be driven by customer deployment examples versus prescribed architectures given scale or projects.  I'd be interested in determining whether the need for both exists or whether one (or the other) is a superset.
> 
> Happy to discuss further when we meet in person.   
> 
> Thanks,
> Shamail
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Rochelle Grober <rochelle.grober at huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe Rob Hirschfeld will be in attendance so, Rob (and I if he wants me) can cover the DefCore and Refstack session.  Rob is certainly the expert on DefCore.
>>
>> I'd also like to propose a session on defining/finding a project manager to start creating some reference architectures with tested installs.  Right now there is a discussion on the Operators' list on a small installation, 3-5 nodes, with HA.  This could be a fine first reference architecture with all the code and docs to make it similar (or better) to install than devstack.  This is also a good architecture for prospective users for prototyping, testing, or small business installation.  Spec'ing this out during the summit, or at least getting a good start, along with a volunteer project manager, would be a very worthwhile endeavor for the meetup.
>>

Regarding reference architectures, have you seen the OpenStack Architecture Design Guide?

http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/content/

Enhancing that one would be great!

Andreas
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