<div dir="ltr"><div>I think the more we can reduce the ML sprawl the better. I also recall us discussing having some documentation or way of notifying net new signups of how to interact with the ML successfully. An example was having some general guidelines around tagging. Also as a maintainer for at least one of the mailing lists over the past 6+ months I have to inquire about how that will happen going forward which again could be part of this documentation/initial message.</div><div><br></div><div>Also there are many times I miss messages that for one reason or another do not hit the proper mailing list. I mean we could dive into the minutia or start up the mountain of why keeping things the way they are is worst than making this change and vice versa but I am willing to bet there are more advantages than disadvantages.<br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:45 PM Jimmy McArthur <<a href="mailto:jimmy@openstack.org">jimmy@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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multiple lists, even though I'm subscribed to multiples.
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IMO this is easily solved by tagging. If emails are properly tagged
(which they typically are), most email clients will properly sort on
rules and you can just auto-delete if you're 100% not interested in a
particular topic.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, there are definitely ways to go about discarding unwanted mail automagically or not seeing it at all. And to be honest I think if we are relying on so many separate MLs to do that for us it is better community wide for the responsibility for that to be on individuals. It becomes very tiring and inefficient time wise to have to go through the various issues of the way things are now; cross-posting is a great example that is steadily getting worse.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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SNIP<br>
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<pre>As the years went by, it's become apparent to me that this is
actually an antisocial behavior pattern, and actively harmful to the
user base. I believe OpenStack actually wants users to see the
development work which is underway, come to understand it, and
become part of that process. Requiring them to have their
conversations elsewhere sends the opposite message.</pre>
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I really and truly believe that it has become a blocker for our
community. Conversations sent to multiple lists inherently splinter and
we end up with different groups coming up with different solutions for a
single problem. Literally the opposite desired result of sending
things to multiple lists. I believe bringing these groups together,
with tags, will solve a lot of immediate problems. It will also have an
added bonus of allowing people "catching up" on the community to look to
a single place for a thread i/o 1-5 separate lists. It's better in
both the short and long term.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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Cheers,<br>
Jimmy<br>
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