<div dir="ltr">Thanks Xin,i will try for a separate license for snapshot and see how it goes.<div><br></div><div>Can you help me understand this better.</div><div><br></div><div>in my existing cinder volume which is a single server that act as iscsi target , i use LVM in qcow2 disk format and it has thin provisioning and snapshot capability.</div><div><br></div><div>With VNX as backend what format does it use.Can it create disks as qcow2 format and uses its capability rather than using VNX 's native thin provisioning and snapshot feature.</div><div><br></div><div>Long back if i remember correctly with vmware vmdk on hp 3par array there was performance degradation with two layers of thing provisioning ie vmdk thin provisioning over 3par thin provisioning.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your help</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:12 AM, yang, xing <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xing.yang@emc.com" target="_blank">xing.yang@emc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes, VNX snapshot should work with thick LUN.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2014 4:31 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openstack@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">openstack@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openstack] cinder and EMC VNX storage<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Xing , <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">can snapshot work with thick LUN? can i just buy snapshot license and make it work<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:58 AM, yang, xing <<a href="mailto:xing.yang@emc.com" target="_blank">xing.yang@emc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The document you referenced is for the VNX Direct Driver. If you use the VNX Direct driver, you
need the “thin provisioning license” to create thin LUNs. If you are only creating thick LUNs, you can skip this license. You need the VNX Snapshot license to create a snapshot in Cinder.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not sure why the licenses are not required when you are using VMWare cluster. Maybe they are
thick LUNs only and snapshots are snapview snapshots instead of VNX snapshots.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You need to have cinder-volume running, either on a separate node or on the controller node in order
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2014 12:44 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Openstack] cinder and EMC VNX storage</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now i got a chance to TEST EMC storage ie EMC VNX for couple of days which is currently used by our vmware cluster .<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But i don't have separate license for this and i am sure vmware was using this array without any issue (not managed by openstack)<u></u><u></u></p>
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