Hi!<div><br></div><div>It's worth pointing out that GitHub's designers jump straight into Pull Requests, designing right alongside developers. Zach Holman gave a great talk about their process which included how everyone works together seamlessly with autonomy.<div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz3jkOBbQY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz3jkOBbQY</a></div><div><br></div><div>-- Kyle</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Toshiyuki Hayashi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hayashi@ntti3.com" target="_blank">hayashi@ntti3.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I really understand and share Gabriel's concern, but now GitHub has<br>
become familiar for web design people as well, at least it is the most<br>
popular service in those kind of services.<br>
Also G+ community which using now is not suitable for discussions,<br>
difficult to track threads, share images or texts and read through. I<br>
believe GitHub is the best solution for now.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Toshiyuki<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Jaromir Coufal <<a href="mailto:jcoufal@redhat.com">jcoufal@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Guys, thank you for the discussion, I have some points here (comments inside<br>
> the mail)<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2013/18/06 17:25, Julie Pichon wrote:<br>
><br>
> "Gabriel Hurley" <<a href="mailto:Gabriel.Hurley@nebula.com">Gabriel.Hurley@nebula.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I've been hoping some of the more design-oriented folks would weigh in on<br>
> this issue, but that hasn't particularly happened...<br>
><br>
> It seems there are already a few of them on the G+ community, it would be<br>
> worthwhile to also have this conversation in the current community and see<br>
> if people agree with the problem and are interested in trying out a new<br>
> option. I started a thread pointing to this one over there.<br>
><br>
> Yeah, the idea and conversation started there originally. However there is<br>
> not much activity yet and there was no reply. So the question lies there for<br>
> few weeks already. Hopefully there will be some reaction on revived post.<br>
><br>
><br>
> My concern is that as engineers we're all comfortable with GitHub, but that<br>
> it will end up being an impediment or discouragement for people who fall<br>
> more on the creative side. I don't disagree with the benefits as stated and<br>
> I'm willing to give any solution a try, but I want to be careful that we<br>
> don't alienate a portion of the contributors by our choice of tools.<br>
><br>
> I share with this concern, although I also very much agree with Jaromir on<br>
> the downsides of the current setup.<br>
><br>
> I completely understand and share the concern as well.<br>
><br>
> However, my thinking is... GitHub is mainly for developers, but not only for<br>
> them. And it is just about registration to GitHub to be active and be able<br>
> to comment there, nothing more (even more, you see all the issues without<br>
> registration).<br>
> What I love about that is not just having better format for discussions, but<br>
> also getting closer to main development stream. So the people who are<br>
> creative and might help with UX improvement ideas, gets also to the reality<br>
> of implementation and in the end hopefully these two streams would meet<br>
> together - which would be amazing result. Both can learn from each other.<br>
><br>
> Because, the same concern occurs when we try to move Horizon development<br>
> oriented people to discussions on G+ community.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> -- Jarda<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Julie<br>
><br>
> In general I leave it to the community, though. :-)<br>
><br>
> - Gabriel<br>
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<br>
--<br>
Toshiyuki Hayashi<br>
NTT Innovation Institute Inc.<br>
Tel:650-579-0800 ex4292<br>
<a href="mailto:mail%3Ahayashi@ntti3.com">mail:hayashi@ntti3.com</a><br>
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