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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/2012 04:00 AM, Henry Nash
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:9EF9FB51-CE42-47E7-9635-DA28B60024BB@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
      type="cite"><base href="x-msg://2808/">Gabriel,
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      <div>So I think you are right to ask that this is made clear and
        concrete - I'll work with the core contributors of Keystone to
        make it so.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>To your specific point:</div>
      <div>- Let's call the initial Domain, the "Global Domain", rather
        than the default domain</div>
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    No.  It is default.  It is not global.  The other domains do not
    nest inside this domain.  Calling it the Global domain is
    confusing.  I would accept: unnamed domain, or implicit domain,  but
    don't think either of those are an improvement to default.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:9EF9FB51-CE42-47E7-9635-DA28B60024BB@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
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      <div>- If the Cloud Provider doesn't explicitly create any
        domains, then everything exists in the Global Domain.  There is
        no need to specify a domain in any calls, since everything will
        default to the Global domain.  The v2 API will work just fine
        (which knows nothing about domains)</div>
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    That is correct<br>
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      cite="mid:9EF9FB51-CE42-47E7-9635-DA28B60024BB@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
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      <div>- If they do create some domains, then they indicate (on
        creation) whether each of these <i>share</i> the namespace of
        the Global domain, or have their own <i>private</i> namespace. 
        <br>
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    </blockquote>
    No.  Domain are non-overlapping sets.<br>
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      <div>- If all of these new domains were specified as <i>shared</i> then
        all user and tenant names are still globally unique.  A caller
        still does not technically need to specify a domain, although
        scoping things down to a domain (or of course project) is likely
        for most operations (just like it is today)</div>
    </blockquote>
    I fail to see the benefit.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:9EF9FB51-CE42-47E7-9635-DA28B60024BB@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
      type="cite">
      <div>- If, however, some of these new domains were specified as <i>private</i>
        then any users who are part of a private domain must specify the
        domain in order to authenticate.  By design, authentication will
        fail if they don't specify a domain (since you won't exist in
        the global domain).  Once a user in a private domain is
        authenticated, they are scoped to that domain. [implementation:
        we need to work out whether the domainID is encoded in the token
        - this is my assumption since this means the Domain Name/ID is
        NOT required for subsequent requests....and validation, by
        Keystone, can still be achieved ]</div>
    </blockquote>
    We are reimplementing tokens/projects here.  <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:9EF9FB51-CE42-47E7-9635-DA28B60024BB@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
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      <div>- It is perfectly possible (but of course up to the Cloud
        Provider) to support a mixture of <i>shared</i> and <i>private</i>
        domains (representing different customer types)....but the point
        being that the Cloud Provider will tell their customers how they
        should access they system (i.e. provide them with any domain
        specification that may or may not be required).</div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think that this complicates things.  I would instead recommend
    that a provider either go with a single domain or explicit domaiuns,
    as mixing the two is wierd, but some installations will need to make
    their existing deployments work.<br>
    <br>
    I like the idea that the domain will be implicit from the hostname
    of the web front end, and also possibly of a Keystone endpoint. 
    This can be done with vhosts for Apache, and a simple config value
    for Eventlet.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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      <div><br>
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      <div>Very keen to hear other concerns you may have.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Henry<br>
        <div>
          <div>On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:22, Gabriel Hurley wrote:</div>
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                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
                      73, 125); ">There are various options for how
                      Horizon can handle the UX problems associated with
                      adding additional domains. Making it a part of the
                      URL is one which could be supported, but I’m not
                      inclined to make that the only method. The
                      implementation details can be hashed out when we
                      get there.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                    serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
                      73, 125); ">I am more concerned about the
                      experience for CLI/API users; adding more
                      parameters they have to pass is quite unfriendly.
                      And I have to say that Keystone’s track record for
                      handling “default” options has been quite poor
                      (see “default tenant”). The mixed support for
                      lookups via ID vs. name is also a mess. There
                      needs to be consistency around what is unique and
                      in what scope (which is where this thread
                      started). So far I haven’t heard a concrete answer
                      on that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
                      73, 125); ">For example, if tenants uniqueness is
                      scoped to a domain, and lookups via tenant name
                      are possible, and there’s a default domain… well
                      haven’t you just painted yourself into a corner
                      where tenant names in the default domain must be
                      unique while names in any other domain do not?
                      It’s these kinds of issues that need to really be
                      thought through.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                              Behalf Of<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Adam
                            Young<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                            October 26, 2012 4:19 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Henry
                            Nash<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenStack
                            Development Mailing List; <a
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                            (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [Openstack] [keystone] Domain Name Spaces<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                        serif; color: black; ">On 10/26/2012 07:17 PM,
                        Henry Nash wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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                        serif; color: black; ">So to pick up on a couple
                        of the areas of contention:<o:p></o:p></div>
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                          font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                          Roman', serif; color: black; ">a) Roles.  I
                          agree that role names must stay globally
                          unique.  One way of thinking about this is
                          that it is not actually keystone that is
                          creating the "role name space" it is the other
                          services (Nova etc.) by specifying roles in
                          their policy files.  Until those services
                          support domain specific segmentation, then
                          role names stay global.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                          Roman', serif; color: black; ">b) Will
                          multi-domains make it more complicated in
                          terms of authorisation - e.g. will the users
                          have to input a Domain Name into Horizon the
                          whole time?  The first thing I would say is
                          that if the cloud administrator has create
                          multiple domains, then the keystone API should
                          indeed require the domain specification.
                           However, that should not mean it should be
                          laborious for a Horizon user.  In the case
                          where a Cloud Provider has created domains to
                          encapsulate each of their customers - then if
                          they want to let those customer use horizon as
                          the UI, then I would think they want to be
                          able to give each customer a unique URL which
                          will point to a Horizon that "knows which
                          domain to go to".<o:p></o:p></div>
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                      serif; color: black; ">Yes, I think that this is
                      the solution.  It will involve HTTPD virtual
                      hosts, and horizon can then get an additional
                      config parameter "keystone_domain" as part of the
                      wsgi config.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <o:p></o:p></div>
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                        serif; color: black; "> Maybe the url contains
                        the Domain Name or ID in the path, and Horizon
                        pulls this out of its own url (assuming that's
                        possible) and hence the user is never given an
                        option to chose a domain.  A Cloud Admin would
                        use a "non domain qualified url" to get to
                        Horizon (basically as it is now) and hence be
                        able to see the different domains.  Likewise, in
                        the case of where the Cloud Provider has not
                        chosen to create any individual domains (and is
                        just running the cloud in the default domain),
                        then the  "non domain qualified url" would be
                        used to a Horizon that only showed one, default
                        domain and hence no choice is required.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                        serif; color: black; ">Henry<o:p></o:p></div>
                    </div>
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                      <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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                        serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                          <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                            'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; ">On
                            26 Oct 2012, at 17:31, heckj wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                        <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></div>
                        <div>
                          <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                            0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                            'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; ">Bringing
                            conversation for domains in Keystone to the
                            broader mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                              'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                              'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">On Oct 26,
                                  2012, at 5:18 AM, Dolph Mathews <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:dolph.mathews@gmail.com"
                                    style="color: blue; text-decoration:
                                    underline; ">dolph.mathews@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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                              <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
                                margin-bottom: 5pt; ">
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">I think this
                                  discussion would be great for both
                                  mailing lists.<br clear="all">
                                  <o:p></o:p></div>
                                <div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:
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                                  serif; color: black; ">-Dolph<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; ">On
                                    Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Henry
                                    Nash <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:henry.nash@mac.com"
                                      target="_blank" style="color:
                                      blue; text-decoration: underline;
                                      ">henry.nash@mac.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">Hi<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; "><Not sure where best
                                        to have this discussion - here,
                                        as a comment to the v3api doc,
                                        or elsewhere - appreciate some
                                        guidance and will transfer this
                                        to the right place><o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">At the Summit we
                                        started a discussion on whether
                                        things like user name, tenant
                                        name etc. should be globally
                                        unique or unique within a
                                        domain.  I'd like to widen that
                                        discussion to try and a) agree a
                                        direction, b) agree some changes
                                        to our current spec. Here's my
                                        view as an opening gambit:<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                        margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                        margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">- When a Keystone
                                        instance is first started, there
                                        is only one, default, Domain.
                                         The Cloud Provider does not
                                        need to create any new domains,
                                        all projects can exist in this
                                        default domain, as will the
                                        users etc.  There is one,
                                        global, name space.  Clients
                                        using the v2 API will work just
                                        fine.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">+1<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
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                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">Very much what
                                  we were thinking for the initial
                                  implemenation and rollout to make it
                                  backwards "compatible" with the V2
                                  (non-domain) core API<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                                'Times New Roman', serif; color: black;
                                "><br>
                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote style="border-top-style:
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                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">- If the Cloud Provider
                                        wants to provide their customers
                                        with regions they can administer
                                        themselves and be
                                        self-contained, then they create
                                        a Domain for each customer.  It
                                        should be possible for
                                        users/roles to be scoped to a
                                        Domain so that (effectively)
                                        administrative duties can be
                                        delegated to some users in that
                                        Domain.  So far so good - all
                                        this can be done with the v3
                                        API.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; ">Not
                                    clear on if you're referring to
                                    endpoint regions, or just describing
                                    domain isolation?<o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
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                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">I believe
                                  you're describing the key use cases
                                  behind the domains mechanism to begin
                                  with - user and project partitioning
                                  to allow for administration of those
                                  to be clearly "owned" and managed
                                  appropriately.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                                'Times New Roman', serif; color: black;
                                "><br>
                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote style="border-top-style:
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                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">- We still have work to
                                      do to make sure items in other OS
                                      projects that reference tenants
                                      (e.g. Images) can take a Domain or
                                      Project ID, but we'll get to that
                                      soon enough<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; ">Everything
                                    will continue to work with projects,
                                    but once middleware starts providing
                                    a DOMAIN_ID and DOMAIN_NAME to the
                                    underlying service, it'll be up to
                                    them to take advantage of it. Images
                                    per domain is an excellent example
                                    use case.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
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                                'Times New Roman', serif; color: black;
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                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt;
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                                    auto; ">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">- However,
                                          Cloud Providers want to start
                                          enabling enterprise customers
                                          to run more and more of the
                                          workloads in OpenStack clouds
                                          - over and above, the smaller
                                          sized companies that are doing
                                          this today.  For this to work,
                                          the encapsulation of a Domain
                                          need, I think, to be able to
                                          be stricter - and this is
                                          where the name space comes
                                          into play.  I think we need to
                                          allow for a Domain to have its
                                          own namespace (i.e. users,
                                          roles, projects etc.) as an
                                          option.  I see this as a first
                                          step to allowing each Domain
                                          to have its own AuthZ/N
                                          service (.e.g external ldap
                                          owned and hosted by the
                                          customer who will be using the
                                          Domain)<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          color: black; ">Implementation:<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                          margin-right: 0in;
                                          margin-left: 0in;
                                          margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">- A simplistic
                                          version would just allow a
                                          flag to specified on Domain
                                          creation that said whether
                                          this a "private" or "shared"
                                          Domain.  Shared would use the
                                          current global name space (and
                                          probably be the default for
                                          compatibility reasons).<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
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                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                      margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                      0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">I like the direction of
                                      this -- need to digest
                                      implications :)<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">I like the idea
                                  conceptually - but let's be clear on
                                  the implications to the end users:<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">Where we're
                                  starting is preserving a global name
                                  space for project names and user
                                  names. Allowing a mix of segregated
                                  and global name spaces imposes a
                                  burden of additional data being needed
                                  to uniquely place authentication and
                                  authorization.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">We've been
                                  keeping to 2 key pieces of info
                                  (username, password) to get
                                  authenticated - and then (via CLI or
                                  Horizon dashboard) you can choose from
                                  a list of protential projects and
                                  carry on. In most practical
                                  circumstances, any user working
                                  primarily from the CLI is already
                                  providing 3-4 pieces of information:<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">* username<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">* password<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">* tenant name<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">* auth_url<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">to access and
                                  use the cloud.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">By allowing
                                  domains to be their own namespaces,
                                  we're adding another element that will
                                  be absolutely required to identify the
                                  person authenticating:<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "> * domain name<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">implying a
                                  cascade of changes to the user
                                  experience all the way down through
                                  horizon.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
                                0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom:
                                0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                'Times New Roman', serif; color: black;
                                "><br>
                                <br>
                                <o:p></o:p></div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote style="border-top-style:
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                                  initial; border-left-style: solid;
                                  border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);
                                  border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top:
                                  0in; padding-right: 0in;
                                  padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left:
                                  6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right:
                                  0in; ">
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">- A more flexible
                                        approach would be to allow the
                                        specification of where the
                                        various sub-services of Keystone
                                        (e.g. AuthN/Z, Service
                                        Catalogue, Resources (i.e Users,
                                        Projects)) are hosted.  The
                                        defaults would all point back to
                                        the default domain (i.e. are
                                        global and shared), but instead
                                        could be specified as "self"
                                        (I.e. the new Domain), or, in
                                        the future, some other external
                                        location, e.g. for a remote
                                        ldap.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                        margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                        0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">- As an aside, this
                                        multi-name space model could
                                        also allow the Cloud Provider
                                        their own name space, separate
                                        from their customers - i.e. they
                                        will have a need to create
                                        admins who can just create
                                        domains and on-board customers
                                        into those domains.  These users
                                        & roles could exist in the
                                        default domain, while all the
                                        customers' users/roles exist
                                        solely within their own domains.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                        margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                        0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                        font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                        'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                        black; ">- One potential problem
                                        I do see is with roles.  Today,
                                        the role name is, if I
                                        understand it correctly, a kind
                                        of shared secret between, other
                                        services and Keystone - e.g. it
                                        is the actual name of a given
                                        role, say "ProjectAdmin" , that
                                        must match in, say, the Nova
                                        policy file and the role
                                        assignment in Keystone (please
                                        correct me if I have this
                                        wrong).<o:p></o:p></div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; ">You're
                                    100% correct.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote style="border-top-style:
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                                  initial; border-left-style: solid;
                                  border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);
                                  border-left-width: 1pt; padding-top:
                                  0in; padding-right: 0in;
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                                  6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right:
                                  0in; ">
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                      margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                      0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">How would that work if
                                      the role names were not unique
                                      across Domains?<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
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                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                    margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                    margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                    12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                    Roman', serif; color: black; ">Not
                                    that we would want admins to ever
                                    see Role ID's, or edit policy files
                                    with role ID's, but they provide a
                                    potential solution.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">The different
                                  role names would need to be accounted
                                  for in the policy files the way
                                  they're set up today - the enforcement
                                  there is all at the service level.
                                  There's no current provision for
                                  evaluating policy differently based on
                                  domain. While that's possible, it
                                  sounds like a tremendous cascade of
                                  additional complication, as the
                                  policy, and roles, are all set up and
                                  managed by deployers.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; ">I think this
                                  might be an interesting addition in
                                  the future, but want to keep the
                                  initial implementation and roll-out of
                                  the policy mechanisms and domains
                                  consistent and simple for a first
                                  roll-out iteration.<o:p></o:p></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                  margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
                                  margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size:
                                  12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                              </div>
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                                <div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-top-style:
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                                    border-left-color: rgb(204, 204,
                                    204); border-left-width: 1pt;
                                    padding-top: 0in; padding-right:
                                    0in; padding-bottom: 0in;
                                    padding-left: 6pt; margin-left:
                                    4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; z-index:
                                    auto; ">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">What is the
                                          desired functionality for a
                                          Cloud Provider wanting to give
                                          their enterprise customers
                                          this level of flexibility -
                                          will they have dedicated Nova
                                          endpoints anyway?  Sounds too
                                          rigid.  This might tie into
                                          another bp we are working on
                                          at IBM in terms of using
                                          Availability zones to allow
                                          Cloud Providers to divide up
                                          their compute resources in a
                                          more flexible way.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">- Finally, I
                                          wanted to raise the subject of
                                          whether we should make it a
                                          goal to remain compatible with
                                          the v2 API<span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>once
                                            the cloud provider starts
                                            creating additional domains</i>.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">Joe and I briefly
                                      discussed this at the summit. As a
                                      migration to v3, we'd obviously be
                                      creating the default domain and
                                      mapping all existing
                                      users/projectse/etc to it. I'd be
                                      fine if the v2 implementation ONLY
                                      interacted with resources in that
                                      default domain; i.e. if you want
                                      to use domains, upgrade to a v3
                                      client.<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "> <o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
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                                    padding-top: 0in; padding-right:
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                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                          margin-right: 0in;
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                                          margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">As stated
                                          above, if just the default
                                          domain is being used, then
                                          fine.  And while I agree that,
                                          technically, the v2 API should
                                          still work with the above if
                                          all the other domains point
                                          back to the default domain for
                                          their sub-services - it feels
                                          overly flexible (and maybe
                                          wrong conceptually) to support
                                          v2 semantics across a
                                          multi-domain installation.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                      margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                      0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                      margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                      0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; ">+1<o:p></o:p></div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                      margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
                                      0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                      font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                      'Times New Roman', serif; color:
                                      black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                                    initial; border-left-style: solid;
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                                    204); border-left-width: 1pt;
                                    padding-top: 0in; padding-right:
                                    0in; padding-bottom: 0in;
                                    padding-left: 6pt; margin-left:
                                    4.8pt; margin-right: 0in; ">
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                                      <div>
                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                          margin-right: 0in;
                                          margin-left: 0in;
                                          margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                          margin-right: 0in;
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                                          font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; ">Interested in
                                          everyone else's view.<o:p></o:p></div>
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                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; "><span
                                            style="color: rgb(136, 136,
                                            136); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
                                          margin-right: 0in;
                                          margin-left: 0in;
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                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; "><span
                                            style="color: rgb(136, 136,
                                            136); ">Henry<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div style="margin-top: 0in;
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                                          'Times New Roman', serif;
                                          color: black; "><span
                                            style="color: rgb(136, 136,
                                            136); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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                                    </div>
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                                  serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right:
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                              0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
                              'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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                      <div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
                        margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
                        font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                        serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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