Hi Frans, Bisa saya bantu?<div><br><div>I'm not sure what your question is: my perspective on Cloud Foundry and OpenStack has not changed since last year: "let a thousand clouds bloom!"</div><div><a href="http://wordpress.chanezon.com/?p=1729">http://wordpress.chanezon.com/?p=1729</a><div>
<br></div><div>John from AppFog and Diane from ActiveState expressed really well how Cloud Foundry helps them address their customer's requirements, and what value there is in having a common ecosystem around that codebase.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks to PistonCloud's BOSH OpenStack CPI <a href="https://github.com/piston/openstack-bosh-cpi">https://github.com/piston/openstack-bosh-cpi</a>, Cloud Foundry and OpenStack are now like peanut butter and jelly, letting developers build a private or public PaaS based 100% on open source software.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I find the the hybrid cloud possibilities opened up by standardizing on the Cloud Foundry APIs that John outlines in his mail, and that AppFog implements today super promising, and expect a lot of innovation in that space in the next few years.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Listing Cloud Foundry forks and what developers are doing with it to solve their specific needs will be a fun project: I hear about a lot of innovation where developers fork specific parts of it to add value or solve a specific problem.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What Rakuten did with Fluentd to persist logs is a good example </div><div><a href="https://groups.google.com/a/cloudfoundry.org/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/vcap-dev/fluentd/vcap-dev/pXFkthOwAqg/ZZRsUZQ7_9QJ">https://groups.google.com/a/cloudfoundry.org/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/vcap-dev/fluentd/vcap-dev/pXFkthOwAqg/ZZRsUZQ7_9QJ</a></div>
<div>The stackato-router that ActiveState announced last week, with websocket and soon SPDY support <a href="http://www.activestate.com/blog/2012/09/rocking-it-stackato-and-websockets">http://www.activestate.com/blog/2012/09/rocking-it-stackato-and-websockets</a> is another great example of the kind of innovation that a bazaar style open source project can generate.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd recommend subscribing to the vcap-dev mailing list, where a lot of the action around the codebase is.</div><div><br></div><div>Last, on the community side, I saw that you created a cloudfoundry-id group: Terima kasih for that!</div>
<div><div><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/cloudfoundry-id">https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/cloudfoundry-id</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>Although my Bahasa is very limited, I applied to the group and will rely on Google Translate to understand what people are posting about and try answering in english.</div>
<div>Our team organized events in China last year, in India this year, I hope we'll do something in SE Asia in 2013: I'll keep you in the loop when we organize it.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd like to conclude on a Bob Dylan, quote, from "The Times They Are A-Changin'", that I think applies very well to the current move from IaaS to PaaS.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>"Come gather 'round people</div><div>Wherever you roam</div><div>And admit that the waters</div><div>Around you have grown</div><div>And accept it that soon</div><div>You'll be drenched to the bone</div>
<div>If your time to you</div><div>Is worth savin'</div><div>Then you better start swimmin'</div><div>Or you'll sink like a stone</div><div>For the times they are a-changin'."</div><div><br></div></div>
<div><div>The waters of complexity are rising, so you better start swimmin' to a higher level of abstraction that PaaS provides you:-)</div></div><div><br></div><div>P@</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Frans Thamura <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frans@meruvian.org" target="_blank">frans@meruvian.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">thx Peter. awesome explaination<br>
<br>
i am working to list the CF cloud implementation, and seek which one<br>
become opensource again after modification (fork), or make it<br>
propietary.<br>
<br>
esp one of my friend that sell cloud services here just do roadshow<br>
today. promoting cloud for startup (my test it is using stackato) with<br>
Microsoft that promoting Azure.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I love have a single CF which the edition can run on OpenStack. (esp<br>
VMWare is Sponsor for OpenStack summit also -- strange what is the<br>
positioning between vsphere and openstack --).<br>
<br>
<br>
i think the variety of CF and OpenStack, will bring more value to both<br>
community, esp I try to manage both community.<br>
<br>
<br>
still waiting Patrick Chanezone comment about this, because he is<br>
DIrector of Developer Relations in VMWare that spoke CloudFoundry<br>
<br>
Frans<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/15/12, John Purrier <<a href="mailto:john@openstack.org">john@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Glad to see some discussion of PaaS and OpenStack on this list. The blog<br>
> post that Frans linked to below is a very good overview of how we (AppFog)<br>
> use, and contribute to, the Cloud Foundry open source project.<br>
><br>
> What may not be apparent is that Cloud Foundry provides not only a starting<br>
> point for building open PaaS solutions, but also an industry standard API.<br>
> We have implemented CF on a variety of public infrastructures (RAX<br>
> OpenStack, HP OpenStack, AWS) and have the capability of deploying to<br>
> standardized private/on-prem cloud solutions (OpenStack based from<br>
> Rackspace, Piston, Red Hat etc.; AWS compatible from Eucalyptus, etc.).<br>
> With<br>
> a standard API definition there is the opportunity to be much more<br>
> inclusive<br>
> in the PaaS solution space.<br>
><br>
> For instance, AppFog not only supports Infrastructure Clouds as application<br>
> targets, but also native Platform Clouds, such as Windows Azure. This is<br>
> made possible through our partnership with Microsoft by building a Cloud<br>
> Foundry API that translates to the native Windows Azure platform services.<br>
> Going forward we believe that this will become more commonplace, and that<br>
> the CF API will, in fact, be the defacto PaaS API.<br>
><br>
> Huge opportunities open for cloud providers, IT departments, and developers<br>
> once it is trivial to move application workloads from one cloud to another.<br>
> Whether this is private/public hybrid and bursting scenarios, movement<br>
> between private data centers to facilitate consolidation, or developers<br>
> easily being able to leverage multiple cloud providers for HA/DR purposes…<br>
> This is enabled by the common Platform API and services that the open Cloud<br>
> Foundry PaaS project provides.<br>
><br>
> This is not future stuff, it is happening now. Try it for free here:<br>
> <a href="https://console.appfog.com/signup" target="_blank">https://console.appfog.com/signup</a> Create an app, find the clone button in<br>
> the console, and copy the app to a different continent/provider with 1<br>
> click.<br>
><br>
> Certainly if you are involved with OpenStack; as a developer, service<br>
> provider, or IT professional, it is worth your while to take a look at the<br>
> open source Cloud Foundry project: <a href="http://www.cloudfoundry.org" target="_blank">http://www.cloudfoundry.org</a> . Providing<br>
> an open PaaS over your OpenStack infrastructure will significantly help<br>
> your<br>
> developers and operational teams.<br>
><br>
> John<br>
><br>
> John Purrier<br>
</div></div>> Chief Technology Officer <a href="http://appfog.com" target="_blank">appfog.com</a> <<a href="http://www.appfog.com" target="_blank">http://www.appfog.com</a>><br>
> <a href="mailto:jpurrier@appfog.com">jpurrier@appfog.com</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:john@openstack.com">john@openstack.com</a><br>
> About: johnpur <<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnpur" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnpur</a>><br>
<div class="im">><br>
> From: Frans Thamura <<a href="mailto:frans@meruvian.org">frans@meruvian.org</a>><br>
> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:12 PM<br>
> To: Diane Mueller ActiveState <<a href="mailto:dianem@activestate.com">dianem@activestate.com</a>><br>
> Cc: "<a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net">openstack@lists.launchpad.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net">openstack@lists.launchpad.net</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Openstack] paas in openstack and forked cloudfoindry<br>
><br>
> and this is appfog.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://blog.cloudfoundry.org/2012/09/13/how-we-built-appfog-using-cloud-foun" target="_blank">http://blog.cloudfoundry.org/2012/09/13/how-we-built-appfog-using-cloud-foun</a><br>
> dry/<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Frans Thamura (曽志胜)<br>
> Shadow Master and Lead Investor<br>
> Meruvian.<br>
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><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Frans Thamura <<a href="mailto:frans@meruvian.org">frans@meruvian.org</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>>> yes, that why i found OpenPaaS (<a href="http://openpaas.or.id" target="_blank">openpaas.or.id</a> <<a href="http://openpaas.or.id" target="_blank">http://openpaas.or.id</a>> ),<br>
<div class="im">>> in<br>
>> conjuction with openstack-id<br>
>><br>
>> inside openpaas we create cloudfoundry-id.<br>
>><br>
>> and now try to learn and research the effect of cloudfoundry, and value<br>
>> proposition on openstack<br>
>><br>
>> yes, we tested OpenStack + Stackato here, and tomorrow the cloud roadshow<br>
>> for<br>
>> startup just starting. hope Indonesia can bring new value in how PaaS<br>
>> value-ing the startup to more competitive<br>
>><br>
>> Frans<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Diane Mueller ActiveState<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:dianem@activestate.com">dianem@activestate.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> frans,<br>
>>><br>
>>> The cloud foundry community has a number of vendors that have leveraged<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> CloudFoundry core in commercial offerings including ActiveState's<br>
>>> Stackato<br>
</div>>>> and Vmware' <<a href="http://cloudfoundry.com" target="_blank">http://cloudfoundry.com</a>> <a href="http://cloudfoundry.com" target="_blank">cloudfoundry.com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="http://cloudfoundry.com" target="_blank">http://cloudfoundry.com</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>><br>
>>> The CloudFoundry PaaS project is a great example of an OpenPaaS - and, in<br>
>>> all<br>
>>> it's variations, cloudfoundry runs and scales wells on OpenStack. "Forks"<br>
>>> and<br>
>>> "extensions" to the core project are to be expected and encouraged<br>
>>><br>
>>> This is the "bazaar" effect of open source, the cloud foundry open<br>
>>> source<br>
>>> project has an active and vibrant Community - and makes it "open for<br>
>>> business" as each variation meets the needs of different use cases.<br>
</div>>>> CloudFoundry.com <<a href="http://CloudFoundry.com" target="_blank">http://CloudFoundry.com</a>> is VMware's publicly hosted<br>
<div><div class="h5">>>> PaaS<br>
>>> that offers a subset of the languages available in the Open Source code<br>
>>> base.<br>
>>> Stackato delivers the software for Enterprise Private Clouds to install<br>
>>> and<br>
>>> manage their own Private PaaSes on-premise. We obviously have added alot<br>
>>> of<br>
>>> additional functionality to make Stackato secure and enable it to be easy<br>
>>> to<br>
>>> deploy on-premise.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ActiveState's Stackato leverages cloudfoundry and a number of other open<br>
>>> source projects in our commercial Private PaaS offering. We maintain API<br>
>>> compatibility with CloudFoundry, we contribute back to the project,<br>
>>> we've<br>
>>> open sourced our client and continue to enhance our offerings.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'd encourage anyone in the OpenStack community to take a closer look at<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> cloud foundry project and get involved in helping to continue to ensure<br>
>>> that<br>
>>> it works well as an OpenPaaS for OpenStack.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Diane Mueller<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Frans Thamura <<a href="mailto:frans@meruvian.org">frans@meruvian.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> hi all<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> we try to make openstack as paas using cloudfoundry. and also seeking<br>
>>>> alternative to it<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> shocked that there are forked cloudfiundry. and got that vmware manage<br>
>>>> different way his cloudfoundry<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> there are piston, stackato i hear appfog<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> never hear cf manage the way people do. in this case forking esp bosh<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> bosh is the link to openstack and got the forker using openstack as<br>
>>>> platform<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> i try to see in different way. hoe openstack work with them and what is<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> best<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> glad there are competition. but sadly one become many rather unique<br>
>>>> innovation<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> any feedback? i try to promote open paas and openstack in one community<br>
>>>> program<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> thx all<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Frans Thamura<br>
>>>> Meruvian<br>
>>>><br>
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