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<p>Agree with you. UI level i18n is most important part since it will make Openstack easier to use. Horizon does have built-in i18n support but need to be translated. we're planning to help on this.<br>
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<font face="Calibri">So there is a question here that I don’t understand.<br>
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There a different levels of I18N, for say user facing error messages, or for other things I consider UI (horizon).<br>
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Those need to be I18N and all that. I think the larger part that I don’t understand is why the things that are not the above (log messages) are being internationalized.<br>
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So what level do we want to have ;) And what level is normal for people to expect (do systems like hadoop do I18N on there error messages, do other apache projects?)<br>
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On 4/11/12 11:57 AM, "Sean Dague" <</font><a href="sdague@linux.vnet.ibm.com"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">sdague@linux.vnet.ibm.com</font></u></a><font face="Calibri">> wrote:<br>
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<ul><font face="Calibri">On 04/11/2012 08:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:<br>
> Sheng Bo Hou wrote:<br>
>> After the research done by my colleage Edward Zhang and myself, we have<br>
>> found the following issues for openstack. We have already raised bug<br>
>> </font><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810</font></u></a><font face="Calibri"><br>
>> <</font><a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/974810</font></u></a><font face="Calibri">> .<br>
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> Thanks for your analysis. We plan to discuss how to fix and extend I18N<br>
> at the summit. One question that was raised on the ML in February was<br>
> whether internationalization was actually worth the effort for<br>
> infrastructure software like OpenStack.<br>
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> I'll be the first to admit that there are other languages than English,<br>
> but all our open development is based in English already (bugs, reviews,<br>
> commit messages, mailing-lists, IRC...), so I don't think supporting<br>
> more languages in the software itself will help growing our developer<br>
> community.<br>
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I would tend to disagree with that. People are more likely to invest<br>
their time in software if they'll be able to use it better in their<br>
locale. I think this is definitely even more true in places where<br>
English has less of a dominant presence. It may even bring people to the<br>
table solely interested in helping with translation. I've seen that<br>
happen elsewhere.<br>
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> On our users community, do operators of OpenStack need translated error<br>
> messages ? Given that translations are often incomplete, is it worth it<br>
> ? What do comparable infrastructure open source software projects<br>
> provide ? The effort to provide them has proven non-trivial, I'd like to<br>
> make sure it's time well spent.<br>
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If we want to think about OpenStack as a basic building block like<br>
Apache, i18n is critical. Otherwise there are regions that won't adopt<br>
it solely because of a lack of i18n.<br>
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Is there a metric on the completeness so far? Something automated that<br>
could be a jenkins coverage kind of test?<br>
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-Sean<br>
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