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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Maybe it would be more interesting, instead of getting on the defensive to instead start asking what people think is broken or is immature and fix those areas.<BR>
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Push forward, get peoples feelings about it, and take it as constructive input. If people think its immature, ask for why and then fix those points...<BR>
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-Josh<BR>
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On 4/4/12 1:05 PM, "Jay Payne" <<a href="letterj@gmail.com">letterj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>There are many projects rolled up into the thing called "OpenStack".<BR>
Nova is only one of them and is the one that most people are talking<BR>
about when they say "OpenStack". This does a huge disservice to the<BR>
other projects especially Swift.<BR>
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It's very frustrating to see the other projects all painted with the<BR>
Nova brush.<BR>
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Lane <<a href="rlane@wikimedia.org">rlane@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<BR>
>> According to the statement of this article from Gartner<BR>
>> group <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/lydia_leong/2012/04/03/citrix-cloudstack-openstack-and-the-war-for-open-source-clouds/">http://blogs.gartner.com/lydia_leong/2012/04/03/citrix-cloudstack-openstack-and-the-war-for-open-source-clouds/</a> Openstack is a<BR>
>> highly immature platform.<BR>
>> But why? What's make Openstack so immature?<BR>
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>> Any comments on that?<BR>
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>> Thank you in advance :)<BR>
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> I agree that it's an immature platform. That said, it's also a very<BR>
> young platform and isn't that to be expected? There's a number of<BR>
> things that need to be fixed before I'd ever recommend Nova's use in<BR>
> production:<BR>
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> 1. There's no upgrade path currently. Upgrading requires fairly<BR>
> substantial downtime.<BR>
> 2. Live migration is broken. Utterly.<BR>
> 3. Every release fixes so many things that it's really important to<BR>
> upgrade every time; however, only one release will likely be supported<BR>
> every Ubuntu LTS release, meaning you're either stuck with a really<BR>
> old (likely broken) version of nova, or you're stuck will a very<BR>
> likely unstable version of Ubuntu. This will be easier over time, when<BR>
> nova is more stable and has less bugs, but it's incredibly painful<BR>
> right now.<BR>
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> That said, I feel OpenStack's strengths greatly outweigh its<BR>
> immatureness. I ran a private cloud at my last organization using a<BR>
> VMWare ESXi cluster. It was more mature, upgrades worked<BR>
> appropriately, live migration was solid, etc. I had (and still have)<BR>
> the choice to run VMWare for my current project and am extremely happy<BR>
> with my choice of OpenStack. The flexibility provided by the platform<BR>
> and my ability to contribute to its future make its immaturity a<BR>
> non-concern. Every release gets closer and closer to a stability point<BR>
> I'm comfortable with.<BR>
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> This article isn't bad news. In fact, I'd say it shows that<BR>
> competitors see OpenStack as a fairly major threat. We should be<BR>
> celebrating this ;).<BR>
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> - Ryan<BR>
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