<html><head><base href="x-msg://407/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We don't need support from microsoft specifically. What we need is one or more companies committed to:<div><br></div><div>a) actually using the Hyper-V driver</div><div>b) writing tests and fakes so that the existing functionality doesn't break</div><div>c) providing test hardware and jenkins integration for functional testing</div><div>d) adding new features to get the feature set closer to the level of the other drivers</div><div><br></div><div>The existing hyper-v code has been removed for Essex, but I would be more than happy to see it come back in Folsom if we can get some commitment around the above list.</div><div><br></div><div>Vish</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Sriram Subramanian wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">What kind of support from MS is needed to support Hyper-V in Openstack?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openstack-bounces+sriram=computenext.com@lists.launchpad.net">openstack-bounces+sriram=computenext.com@lists.launchpad.net</a> [mailto:openstack-bounces+sriram=<a href="mailto:computenext.com@lists.launchpad.net">computenext.com@lists.launchpad.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rangababu Chakravarthula<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:17 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wayne Walls<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net">openstack@lists.launchpad.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Openstack] [Nova] Essex dead wood cutting<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We use Ubuntu KVM + Libivrt and have helped several clients build private clouds and all of them are using Windows guests (Win 2003, Win 2008, Win 7). For all the issues that we had with windows guests on KVM, we had to figure out ourselves or get help from kvm community forums. MS would only support if you use Windows 2008 Datacenter or other commercial certified hypervisors<br><br>Ranga<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Wayne Walls <<a href="mailto:wayne@openstack.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wayne@openstack.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Greetings, Tim! Took a quick stab, answers/comments in-line.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br><br>Wayne<o:p></o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On 1/28/12 2:34 PM, "Tim Bell" <<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>> wrote:<br><br>><br>>With the Hyper-V support being phased out, I would be interested to<br>>understand:<br>><br>>- What hypervisors are being used for running Windows guests (both<br>>Windows 7<br>>and Windows Server) on top of OpenStack ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The quick and dirty answer is KVM, and somewhere along the lines we'll see<br>Citrix XenServer join the race (hopefully sooner rather than later :)).<br>Plug for XenServer: <a href="http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServerDevelopment" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServerDevelopment</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>--<br>maybe Ewan/Anne has an update for when we'll see full blown<br>XenServer+OpenStack install guides?<o:p></o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>>- To what extent will Microsoft support problems reported with a Windows<br>>guest running on a non-Microsoft hypervisor ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I think this is a much harder question to answer, as in the past<br>(<a href="http://www.redhat.com/promo/svvp" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.redhat.com/promo/svvp</a>) there has been a reciprocal agreement<br>between RedHat and MS to support each others efforts on their own<br>respective virtualization platforms. Seeing that a) Ubuntu+KVM/libvirt is<br>the current standard, and b) RedHat is not actively participating in the<br>OpenStack community it leaves us with a big question mark. Any companies<br>out there that are running KVM clouds w/ Windows care to address this? Do<br>you have customers that want to know how upstream KVM issues are handled?<br><br>Citrix and Microsoft on the other hand have a fairly long standing<br>partnership, so anything MS products running on XenServer should see a<br>clear escalation path I'd think.<o:p></o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>>- Are there other sites who are affected by this proposal who would be<br>>willing to invest effort to maintain the Hyper-V support ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Is there a group that has taken ownership of this? I know that Jordan<br>Rinke (Rackspace), Alex Landman and Peter Pouliot (Novell MS Interop Lab @<br>SUSE) spent a lot of time on Hyper-V in the Bexar/Cactus releases. They<br>made pretty significant strides in that period, but the progress has since<br>subsided. With the latest movement in the Hyper-V arena, especially<br>around them trying to get full Ubuntu and Debian support in there, does<br>that mean it's less and less likely MS will support their products or<br>competing HV's?<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>><br>>Tim Bell<br>>CERN<br>><br>>-----Original Message-----<br>>From: openstack-bounces+tim.bell=<a href="mailto:cern.ch@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cern.ch@lists.launchpad.net</a><br>>[mailto:<a href="mailto:openstack-bounces%2Btim.bell" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openstack-bounces+tim.bell</a>=<a href="mailto:cern.ch@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cern.ch@lists.launchpad.net</a>] On Behalf<br>>Of<br>>Sandy Walsh<br>>Sent: 27 January 2012 16:45<br>>To: Thierry Carrez;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openstack@lists.launchpad.net</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Openstack] [Nova] Essex dead wood cutting<br>><br>>I'll be taking the existing Zones code out of API and Distributed<br>>Scheduler.<br>>The new Zones infrastructure is an optional component.<br>><br>>-S<br>>________________________________________<br>>From: openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=<a href="mailto:rackspace.com@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rackspace.com@lists.launchpad.net</a><br>>[openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=<a href="mailto:rackspace.com@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rackspace.com@lists.launchpad.net</a>] on<br>>behalf<br>>of Thierry Carrez [<a href="mailto:thierry@openstack.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thierry@openstack.org</a>]<br>>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:23 AM<br>>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openstack@lists.launchpad.net</a><br>>Subject: [Openstack] [Nova] Essex dead wood cutting<br>><br>>Just as Nova enters feature freeze, it sounds like a good moment to<br>>consider<br>>removing deprecated, known-buggy-and-unmaintained or useless feature code<br>>from the Essex tree.<br>><br>>Here are my suggestions for removal:<br>><br>>- Ajaxterm (unmaintained, security issues, replaced by VNC console)<br>>- Hyper-V support (known broken and unmaintained)<br>><br>>I'm sure that everyone has suggestions on other dead wood that we should<br>>cut<br>>now rather than ship in Essex... please comment.<br>><br>>--<br>>Thierry Carrez (ttx)<br>>Release Manager, OpenStack<br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Mailing list:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://launchpad.net/%7Eopenstack" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://launchpad.net/~openstack</a><br>>Post to :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net" style="color: blue; 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