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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><i>" The problem we've been having revolves around the fact that we have<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i>dozens of developers working on Nova, with no real guidance as to the<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i>long-term direction of the project, and teams just doing whatever the<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i>heck they want to, without ML discussion and blueprints, and then<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i>expecting people to just merge branches a few days before feature<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i>freeze."<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I have high hopes that the newly elected PTL’s will provide the guidance and leadership to get more effective in developing OpenStack projects.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>John<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jay Pipes<br>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:54 PM<br>To: Justin Santa Barbara<br>Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net<br>Subject: Re: [Openstack] Feature Freeze status<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Justin Santa Barbara<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><justin@fathomdb.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> No objection to a discussion during the summit, but I've been able to watch<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> all of these branches and others evolve here:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> https://code.launchpad.net/nova<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> For example, when I wanted to add VNC support because my system wouldn't<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> boot, it was easy for me to look at the vnc_console branch and get the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> libvirt XML magic from there. If I was feeling brave, I could have grabbed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the whole branch and merged it into my tree. That feels _very_ open to me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Rubbish. Open development means knowing the general directions and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>specifications that people are working on by open discussions, open<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>blueprints/specs, and active communication between teams. I can go to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>github and see how many people "forked this" (ugh.). That doesn't give<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>me any clue as to what people are attempting to do with the code in<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>the long term.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The problem we've been having revolves around the fact that we have<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>dozens of developers working on Nova, with no real guidance as to the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>long-term direction of the project, and teams just doing whatever the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>heck they want to, without ML discussion and blueprints, and then<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>expecting people to just merge branches a few days before feature<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>freeze.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <jaypipes_troll> Just another benefit of bazaar being a centralized version<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> control system, I guess </jaypipes_troll><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I don't know what the heck you are talking about.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-jay<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>