Open Stack

I actually didn't plan on responding all that much on this
conversation. We had months of discussion and debate about this, weeks
upon weeks of discussion in the PPB about project autonomy and
tooling, and the decision has been made.

I find it a bit unfortunate that all the people saying Gerrit is
terrible and that we should just use GitHub haven't done a single
review or change request in any of the projects that are currently
using the Gerrit/Git toolset that has been decided will be used for
core OpenStack projects.

The coarse status granularity of GitHub's pull request is a
non-starter for automated patch queue management and a gated trunk.
Period. Solutions such as roundabout and hubcap must use hacks such as
looking in review comments for one or more "lgtm"s to determine if a
commit is approved to be merged. This is not a robust solution and is
prone to errors.

I might also add that the integration functionality that Gerrit has
with Launchpad (automated bug status updating, automatic blueprints
status tracking/updating) is very good. The CI team keeps all the code
for this integration work here:
https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ci. For those of you who have
never actually worked with Gerrit, and are complaining about how
terrible it is, I would suggest working through a simple change
request and patch review workflow for the OpenStack CI project and
provide some useful suggestions on ways it can be improved. Lots of
things, including the user interface, can be modified and improved. I
look forward to seeing your energy and enthusiasm for these matters
transformed into productive and helpful change requests for the code
in the OpenStack CI project.

Cheers,
jay

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Sandy Walsh <sandy.walsh at rackspace.com> wrote:
> Understood and thanks for the clarification Thierry ... just a developer scratching an itch.
>
> Although it could be argued that it was a bit of a bait-n-switch on our ultimate github usage and the suitability of Gerrit.
>
> But as you say, let's wait for the guys to respond.
>
> Thanks
> -S
>
> ________________________________________
> From: openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace.com at lists.launchpad.net [openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace.com at lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Thierry Carrez [thierry at openstack.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:09 AM
> To: openstack at lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Openstack] A possible alternative to Gerrit ...
>
> Sandy Walsh wrote:
>> Last night I did some hacking on HubCap. HubCap is a simple script that monitors Pull Requests in GitHub. It spits out a static HTML page of the requests workflow status.
>> [...]
>
> I won't speak on behalf of Monty Taylor, Jim Blair (or Jay) who are
> unfortunately all in limited availability while this anti-Gerrit revolt
> is being sent on the ML. Please wait for their reply, which should come
> soon.
>
> Not judging on the merits of that particular option, as a PPB member, I
> just would like to stress that we voted on having a single set of tools
> for core projects, so each project is not really free to choose its code
> review tool. The codehosting/codereview set of tools that was recently
> chosen is git/github/Gerrit... Glance and Keystone are already migrated,
> and Swift, Nova and Dashboard are scheduled for migration. So your
> alternative appears to be a bit late.
>
> Though we haven't formally voted on that, I think it's also general PPB
> feeling that we shouldn't change systems every 6 months (or every 2
> months) just because "something cooler" exists. Switching systems might
> not be costly for you, but it's definitely costly for others (the
> openstack-ci team obviously, but also release management) -- and we
> should all have better use of our limited time.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)
> Release Manager, OpenStack
>
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