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Devin

On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:16 AM, John Dickinson <me at not.mn> wrote:

> I would prefer to keep the list together. I do not think the volume of either dev or user conversations is too oppressive to the other, and I would like to avoid wither group being neglected by the other.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 AM, "Wayne A. Walls" <wayne at openstack.org> wrote:
> 
>> I remember having this discussion at the Cactus design summit, and the reoccurring theme was dev vs sysads/deployment.  I was in favor of a split list then, but over the past year my stance has changed a bit.
>> 
>> I don't know if I feel that OpenStack has reached the level where deployment knowledge is absent of "dev" knowhow.  Deployers of OS are typically in irc/ml/forums pasting stack traces, working through problems with dev help.  Once we start seeing more public deployments, reference architectures, etc, then maybe? 
>> 
>> Do devs think there is too much noise on the main ml?  What has the impact been on splitting the irc channels out?  To me, I just idle in two places now, but did that really have a big impact?  I tend to agree with John's points, I don't want the presumably easiest ml to consume to be neglected by some of the brightest minds in the project. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:11 PM, "John Purrier" <john at openstack.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> My 2 cents...
>>> 
>>> The traffic on the list is less than 100 messages per day, of that about 35%
>>> is bug notifications. I wonder if we redirect the "developer" oriented email
>>> on the list whether we will have 10 messages a day on the original openstack
>>> mailing list.
>>> 
>>> Stefano, can you elaborate on why the developers feel a split is necessary
>>> at this point? Most (if not all) of the traffic is developer oriented, what
>>> is the problem we want to solve?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org at lists.launchpad.net
>>> [mailto:openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org at lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf
>>> Of Stefano Maffulli
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:35 PM
>>> To: openstack
>>> Subject: [Openstack] Creating openstack-dev mailing list
>>> 
>>> Jesse Andrews (anotherjesse)(Rackspace)
>>> Jonathan Bryce (jbryce)(Rackspace)
>>> Devin Carlen (devcamcar)(Nebula)
>>> Thierry Carrez (ttx)(Rackspace)
>>> John Dickinson (notmyname)(Rackspace))
>>> Vish Ishaya (vishy)(Rackspace)
>>> Josh Kearney (jk0)(Rackspace)
>>> Joshua McKenty (jmckenty)(Piston)
>>> Ewan Mellor (ewanmellor)(Citrix)
>>> Jay Pipes (jaypipes)(Rackspace)
>>> John Purrier (johnpur)(HP)
>>> Monty Taylor (mordred)(Rackspace)
>>> Paul Voccio (pvo)(Rackspace)
>>> Ziad Sawalha (zns)(Rackspace)
>>> 
>>> Hello folks,
>>> 
>>> I've been talking to quite a few developers participating to the Design
>>> Summit and a recurring request I got is to create a new mailing list for
>>> the OpenStack developers to meet and discuss.  
>>> 
>>> There is also a concern that putting developers in another list will
>>> decrease their attention to the bigger part of the community. I believe
>>> this is a serious concern and that it's going to be our role as leaders
>>> of this community to prevent this from happening.
>>> 
>>> I'd suggest to dedicate the existing mailing list for discussions about
>>> usage of OpenStack (deployment and development of applications on top of
>>> OpenStack API) and create a new one only for developers of OpenStack.
>>> "Developers" in this context should be developers of openstack projects
>>> (nova, swift, quantum, etc).
>>> 
>>> If there is no opposition to this proposal in the next days, I'll
>>> proceed and create openstack-dev and invite developers to subscribe to
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> stef
>>> 
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