Open Stack

On 06 Dec 2011 - 23:56, Loic Dachary wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 09:24 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> > Duncan McGreggor wrote:
> >> On 06 Dec 2011 - 14:28, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> >>> So the general consensus so far on this discussion seems to be:
> >>>
> >>> (0) The "2011.3 release" PPA bears false expectations and should be
> >>> removed now. In the future, we should not provide such PPAs: 0-day
> >>> packages for the release should be available from the "last milestone"
> >>> PPA anyway.
> >>>
> >>> (1) OpenStack, as an upstream project, should focus on development
> >>> rather than on providing a production-ready distribution.
> >>>
> >>> (2) We could provide "daily builds" from the stable/diablo branch for a
> >>> variety of releases (much like what we do for the master branch), but
> >>> those should be clearly marked "not for production use" and be
> >>> best-effort only (like our master branch builds).
> >>>
> >>> (3) This should not prevent a group in the community from working on a
> >>> project providing an "openstack on Lucid" production-ready distribution
> >>> if they so wishes. This project would just be another distribution of
> >>> OpenStack.
> >> This doesn't seem like enough to me. OpenStack isn't just a library;
> >> it's a fairly substantial collection of software and services, intended
> >> to be used as a product. If it can't be used as a product, what's the
> >> use?
> >>
> >> Someone made the suggestion that a new OpenStack group be started, one
> >> whose focus is on producing a production-ready, distribution-ready,
> >> release of the software. So can we add one more (need some help with
> >> wording, here...):
> >>
> >> (4) OpenStack will accept and foster a new project, one that is not
> >> focused on development, but rather the distribution and it's general
> >> stability. This distro project will be responsible for advocating on
> >> behalf of various operating systems/distros/sponsoring vendors for bugs
> >> that affect performance and stability of OpenStack, or prevent an
> >> operating system from running OpenStack.
> > I don't think you need a project (openstack projects are about upstream
> > software): you need a *team* to coordinate distribution efforts and make
> > sure openstack projects are packageable etc.
> >
> > Like zul said, that team actually already informally exists and has an
> > IRC channel :)
> Packaging is a tremendous amount of work, I'm sure you agree on this
> otherwise this thread would not exist ;-) It is not upstream code
> development indeed. However the people working to package openstack
> provide valuable input to developers and patches that are not only
> essential to packaging but also to the useability of the components.
>
> Creating a packaging team that acknowledge their contribution to the
> upstream project will show that the packagers contributions are an
> integral part of the openstack development, it would motivate new
> packagers to contribute their changes upstream instead of keeping them
> in a patch directory within the package.
>
> I think there is an opportunity to leverage the momentum that is
> growing in each distribution by creating an openstack team for them to
> meet. Maybe Stefano Maffulli has an idea about how to go in this
> direction. The IRC channel was a great idea and it could become more.
>
> Good packages make a huge difference when it comes to deploying a
> solution made of numerous components. A packaging team that spans all
> openstack components would reduce the workload as intended while
> keeping the subject on the agenda.
>
> Cheers

Wow. I'm so +1 on this. Very well said; sums up my feelings on the
matter too.

Maybe this could be made an agenda item for the next PPB meeting?


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