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I responded to James directly via Speaker Support with this info, but I
think it's good guidance in general to add to the conversation.
Basically, I'd recommend one of these three paths in the event you think
the pitch is too vendor specific:<br>
<br>
* You can reach out to these presenters and tell them that you feel
their presentation is too product focused. Ask them to reshape the
abstract. If you use this button
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.screencast.com/t/YH6NxONnC">https://www.screencast.com/t/YH6NxONnC</a>) to email the speakers, Speaker
Support will be automatically cc'd. <br>
* You could suggest that they combine their presentation with another
talk to form a panel, which would have the effect of de-productizing it.
<br>
* As Track Chairs, you have the option of not selecting the presentation
for your track.<br>
<br>
My suggestion would be to handle this at the Track Chair level as it's
ultimately up to you all what goes in the track. However, if you feel
that this warrants further intervention by the Foundation, I'll be happy
to reach out to them on your behalf.<br>
<br>
Thank you, <br>
Jimmy McArthur<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Having
compatibility plugin supporting spirit of OSS so it is welcome .. So
talk should have topic of “Common interest” and at end
mention add on by vendors ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Deepak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Ferry, Courtney (Contractor)
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Courtney_Ferry@comcast.com">mailto:Courtney_Ferry@comcast.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 February 2017 23:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Collier <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark@openstack.org"><mark@openstack.org></a>; Ruben D. Orduz
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com"><rubenoz@gmail.com></a>; SaintRossy, James
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:James_SaintRossy@comcast.com"><James_SaintRossy@comcast.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org">openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] Guidance on Vendor Specific
Presentations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Agreed on sales pitches passed off as presentations being a
bad thing – I’ve walked out on a few.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">I have attended presentations from vendors that were good,
however, when the sales pitch was kept to the last 5 minutes of the
talk. The ones that worked for
me were given by vendors that provided a supported version of an
OpenStack project and gave a talk or lab on that project. If they keep
the bulk of the presentation to the open source technology, then give
their product a plug at the end, I think it’s cool.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Thanks,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Courtney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Mark Collier <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mark@openstack.org">mark@openstack.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Ruben D. Orduz" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com">rubenoz@gmail.com</a>>, "SaintRossy,
James" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:James_SaintRossy@cable.comcast.com">James_SaintRossy@cable.comcast.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org">openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] Guidance on Vendor Specific
Presentations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
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<span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I'm my opinion, straight up sales
pitches are bad.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">That said, if a particular
technology is widely adopted as part of Openstack clouds out in the
world (like a plug in), I could see how an expert on the technology
could provide value for attendees by talking about it at
the summit, even if that technology is closed source. People who'd
never consider a closed source plug in would simply not attend that
session.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">So I guess I'd say it's not black
and white, more about whether there's a significant audience for the
topic and if the speaker has the expertise to convey it.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">My 2 cents <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">On February 13, 2017 10:48:21 AM "Ruben D. Orduz" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com">rubenoz@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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right;"> <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">February
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Agreed
on sales pitches passed off as presentations being a bad thing – I’ve
walked out on a few.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I
have attended presentations from vendors that were good, however, when
the sales pitch was kept to the last 5 minutes of the talk. The ones
that worked for me were given by vendors that
provided a supported version of an OpenStack project and gave a talk or
lab on that project. If they keep the bulk of the presentation to the
open source technology, then give their product a plug at the end, I
think it’s cool.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Thanks,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="text-autospace:none" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Courtney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Mark Collier
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark@openstack.org"><mark@openstack.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Ruben D. Orduz" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com"><rubenoz@gmail.com></a>, "SaintRossy,
James" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:James_SaintRossy@cable.comcast.com"><James_SaintRossy@cable.comcast.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org">"openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org"><openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] Guidance on Vendor Specific
Presentations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
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<span style="color:black">I'm my opinion, straight up sales pitches are
bad. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="color:black">That said, if a particular technology is
widely adopted as part of Openstack clouds out in the world (like a plug
in), I could see how an expert on the technology could provide value
for attendees by talking about it at the summit,
even if that technology is closed source. People who'd never consider a
closed source plug in would simply not attend that session.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="color:black">So I guess I'd say it's not black and white,
more about whether there's a significant audience for the topic and if
the speaker has the expertise to convey it.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
<span style="color:black">My 2 cents <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">On February
13, 2017 10:48:21 AM "Ruben D. Orduz" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com"><rubenoz@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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right;"> <font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">February
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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">I'm my opinion, straight up
sales pitches are bad. </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">That said, if a particular
technology is widely adopted as part of Openstack clouds out in the
world
(like a plug in), I could see how an expert on the technology could
provide
value for attendees by talking about it at the summit, even if that
technology is closed source. People who'd never consider a closed source
plug in would simply not attend that session. </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">So I guess I'd say it's not
black and white, more about whether there's a significant audience for
the
topic and if the speaker has the expertise to convey it. </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">My 2 cents <br></p>
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<p style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
margin: 10pt 0;">On
February 13, 2017 10:48:21 AM "Ruben D. Orduz"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com"><rubenoz@gmail.com></a> wrote:</p>
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absolutely should have bearing. I vaguely remember in the initial
guidance email it specifies that we should not select proposals that are
perceived as sales pitches or vendor specific.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Ruben</div></div><div
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<div>I’m a 1st time track chair so pardon my ignorance if this question
seems obvious. In my initial review for the storage track I see several
presentations that are vendor specific and possibly closed source.
Should that have any bearing on our evaluations?</div>
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<div>Thanks, James.</div>
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