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<div>And, as a matter of respect to the other people who submit talks, make sure a coveted speaking slot is allocated for the right reason (merit of the talk).</div>
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<div>Which brings up a thought…even though this is my 8th Summit and 3rd time as a track chair, this never really occurred to me. Is there a post-Summit audit process to see if what people proposed in their abstracts is what they actually presented?</div>
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<div>Identify scofflaws might help thin the herd a bit the next time around. :)</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Mark Collier <<a href="mailto:mark@openstack.org">mark@openstack.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org">openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org">openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org</a>>,
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<div dir="ltr">That does become a big issue when people *pay* to attend, more so if it's a hands-on workshop and they have to pay extra. The onus is on track chairs to make sure people are getting a good value for their money.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Gary Kevorkian (gkevorki)
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<div>That may be true of presenters new to the Summit. People who have been around for a while (damn…starting to sound like an old-timer) know that those presos don’t fly.</div>
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<div>I also run the OpenStack L.A. Meetup and I’ve had a couple of presenters come in and give talks that were vastly different (product pitches) from the abstracts they initially submitted. The nice thing is that I didn’t have to do a thing…my group turned
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<div dir="ltr">Taking the obvious/outliers out of the convo, given the issues we have (as I expressed in an earlier email) a suboptimal and highly subjective process, it's really a crap-shot whether a talk will be a vendorfest or not based on two paragraphs
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Mark Collier <span dir="ltr">
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On February 13, 2017 11:44:40 AM "Ferry, Courtney (Contractor)" <<a href="mailto:Courtney_Ferry@comcast.com" target="_blank">Courtney_Ferry@comcast.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Agreed on sales pitches passed off as presentations being a bad thing – I’ve walked out on a few.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I have attended presentations from vendors that were good, however, when the sales pitch was kept to the last 5 minutes of the talk. The ones that worked for me were given by vendors that
provided a supported version of an OpenStack project and gave a talk or lab on that project. If they keep the bulk of the presentation to the open source technology, then give their product a plug at the end, I think it’s cool.
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Ruben D. Orduz" <<a href="mailto:rubenoz@gmail.com" target="_blank">rubenoz@gmail.com</a>>, "SaintRossy, James" <<a href="mailto:James_SaintRossy@cable.comcast.com" target="_blank">James_SaintRossy@cable.comcas<wbr>t.com</a>><br>
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<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">That said, if a particular technology is widely adopted as part of Openstack clouds out in the world (like a plug in), I could see how an expert on the technology could
provide value for attendees by talking about it at the summit, even if that technology is closed source. People who'd never consider a closed source plug in would simply not attend that session.
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<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">So I guess I'd say it's not black and white, more about whether there's a significant audience for the topic and if the speaker has the expertise to convey it.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">Yes, it absolutely should have bearing. I vaguely remember in the initial guidance email it specifies that we should not select proposals that are perceived as sales pitches or vendor specific.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:29 AM, SaintRossy, James <<a href="mailto:James_SaintRossy@comcast.com" target="_blank">James_SaintRossy@comcast.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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