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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">A quick reminder that the
first review cycle isn't meant to be about anything besides making sure
the presentation is in the right category and/or not a duplicate.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Jimmy<br>
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agreed and I find it funny because I already heard several<br>reviewers
stating they were checking that proposers "were good speakers"<br>based
on previous talks they did.<br><br>(which I think is a terrible thing to
do as nobody is gonna be a good<br>speaker without _starting_ at some
point).<br><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>Openstack-track-chairs
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<div style="color:#888888;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px;"
__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Firstly:
I apologize in advance if this ruffles any feathers and I'm aware this
is my first time as a track co-chair so I might be lacking context and
decisions that have been made in the past and am speaking based on my
4-year experience as PyCon US Tutorials Chair.</div><div><br></div><div>So,
one of the main goals of a CFP system, specially one for open source
communities, should be to minimize the amount of subjective decisions
and prejudice in choosing proposals. This could be accomplished a number
of ways -- and admittedly none is perfect and there's PROs and CONs to
each.</div><div><br></div><div>1) Anonymize proposals in the first
review cycle</div><div>2) Require a proposal format so that a proposals
could be, in theory, judged by anyone even if they don't know anything
about the subject matter based purely on structure and details (say,
proposal A is a better proposal than proposal B or C because it has a
more detailed outline and time budget)</div><div>3) Encourage/require
speakers to post slides/videos from recent talks or presentations
(exceptions can be made for first-time speakers)</div><div><br></div><div>And
there's a few more things we could do to make the process fairer and
much less subjective than it currently is.</div><div><br></div><div>So,
for instance, after reviewing couple of dozen proposals in the track I
was assigned to I feel I could not make an informed and fair decision on
any of those proposals. Two-paragraph abstract and 4 bullet points is
absolutely insufficient to say whether a proposal has more merit than
other in an objective manner. At this point I'm unsure how to proceed
without resorting to "I know this person", "that other person is in
marketing so probably not a good idea", "that person is a PTL, so better
give them a spot", etc. None of which should have place in choosing
proposals.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Ruben</div></div>
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