<div dir="ltr">Just to be clear, this wouldn't be a proposal about DataCentred, we run an entirely vanilla OpenStack cloud anyway. As far as I am concerned any talk would be specifically about the HRMC digital transformation project and the benefits they've seen from running on OpenStack. <div><br></div><div>Their workload is a black box to us really anyway, I'm definitely not taking any responsibility for anyone's tax return status ;)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 February 2016 at 10:00, Salvatore Orlando <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salv.orlando@gmail.com" target="_blank">salv.orlando@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree with Jonathan that the decision ultimately rests with the track chairs for the case study track.<div>In my opinion, ff the track is already crowded with proposals, perhaps the best thing to do is to invite HMRC and Datacentred to submit a talk for Barcelona; otherwise an invited talk might be considered.</div><div><br></div><div>The hard question for the chairs of the case study track is to understand how compelling is this use case for the OpenStack users and operators community.</div><div>As for the comparison brought up by Florian, I don't think this sort of talk comes with any "PR risk".</div><div><br></div><div>On another note, this might explain why this year HMRC ended up processing my payment after the deadline even if I made it well before it... If I'm slapped with a penalty I now know who I should complain with...</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Salvatore</div><div> </div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 8 February 2016 at 09:40, Florian Haas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:florian@hastexo.com" target="_blank">florian@hastexo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">One additional point here. I don't know about what others think, but<br>
one major government user story we had at a Summit was the NSA, a few<br>
months prior to Snowden. I don't think that there's anything the<br>
Summit organizers for Portland are to be blamed for, because it wasn't<br>
public knowledge at the time that Five Eyes are essentially spying on<br>
citizens across the planet. But I can tell you that if *I* had been<br>
the one that made the decision at the time to put them on stage, in<br>
front of an international community a large portion of which the<br>
speaker would be expected to treat as adversaries and targets, I'd be<br>
immensely retroactively embarrassed.<br>
<br>
Now clearly I don't want to equate national legal tax collection with<br>
offensive and indiscriminate global blanket surveillance, but I do<br>
believe that any superuser stories, keynotes etc. should receive extra<br>
scrutiny and vetting from Summit organizers, particularly when they<br>
come from government agencies. In Portland this community was new and<br>
not under much media scrutiny, so we got some breaks; I think we don't<br>
get those anymore.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Florian<br>
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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Matt Jarvis<br>
<<a href="mailto:matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk" target="_blank">matt.jarvis@datacentred.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> Yep, agree with all your comments, although to be fair they are not really<br>
> engaged with the community so weren't aware about the Summits. They were<br>
> planning to blog about it, and I suggested they should submit something.<br>
><br>
> If it had been just another commercial company implementing it, I wouldn't<br>
> have brought it up, but given it's a major world government I thought it's a<br>
> pretty important story for OpenStack adoption.<br>
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