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<div>I am along the same opinion too. I still like to keep the vote, but shouldn’t be only criteria to make it to the final cut. </div>
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<div>Another unfortunate trend I saw this time was that few folks have submitted multiple sessions with very little variations in the abstract. I can’t help but think that this was done to increase their chance. They could’ve easily figured out a way to
combine those multiple sessions. Won’t name the names, but something to keep in mind as we continue to improvise process.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Jaesuk Ahn <<a href="mailto:bluejay.ahn@gmail.com">bluejay.ahn@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, August 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Clark, Robert Graham" <<a href="mailto:robert.clark@hp.com">robert.clark@hp.com</a>>, Egle Sigler <<a href="mailto:ushnishtha@hotmail.com">ushnishtha@hotmail.com</a>>, Stefano Maffulli <<a href="mailto:stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.com">stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.com</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] the meaning of the 'How to contribute' track<br>
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<p dir="ltr">+1 for more in depth abstract process. <br>
While I am serving as a track chair, I found out many talks have a short abstract. It is almost impossible to figure out what this talk is really about.
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<div dir="ltr">2015년 8월 18일 (화) 04:56, Clark, Robert Graham <<a href="mailto:robert.clark@hp.com">robert.clark@hp.com</a>>님이 작성:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For my part, as a security track chair, I don’t see a huge value in the voting system, it simply doesn’t scale and can easily be ‘gamed’ by organisations
large enough.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We do use the votes as guidance but honestly I’m not sure that’s the best way of doing things. I’d far rather see a more in depth abstract process,
with more academic abstracts that go into far more detail and with far more rigor than we see today. This would hopefully dissuade many of the summit tourists (chancers who submit clickbait talks).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 August 2015 19:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Stefano Maffulli; Niki Acosta nikacost<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openstack-track-chairs@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] the meaning of the 'How to contribute' track<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hello Stefano,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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always considered the voting process as a marketing tool for the event, a community ritual, a celebration of openstack community as a whole and not something that the selection committee should use. I find looking at votes extremely unfair to the submitters
and diminishing of the selection committee's role, too. IMO a good committee should evaluate based on quality of content relative to the objectives for that specific summit (overall focus, location), and totally ignore the popularity of their proposers (or
their employees).</span><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68);"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">While I agree with you on some of the points, ignoring voting would essentially remove community from providing any input into the selection. Are you suggesting getting rid of voting all together?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:01:28 -0700<br>
From: </span><a href="mailto:stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">stefano.maffulli@dreamhost.com</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br>
To: </span><a href="mailto:nikacost@cisco.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">nikacost@cisco.com</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br>
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Subject: Re: [Openstack-track-chairs] the meaning of the 'How to contribute' track<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Niki Acosta (nikacost) <</span><a href="mailto:nikacost@cisco.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">nikacost@cisco.com</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We decided as a group to move those to the How to Contribute track with<br>
the following rationale:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks for sharing the reasoning behind your choice.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">on this talk and the score ranked lower compared to others.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We did our best to balance vote scoring with what we felt would<br>
have broad community appeal. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The fact that you used votes as a deciding factor, even if only as the last one, saddens me. I see votes as results of a popularity contest and if used for anything,
they dramatically damage the minorities that are not on twitter, the people who are shy by nature and those working for companies that don't have a strong social media presence (or don't use it at all). In fact, I'd argue that the results of the votes should
be even hidden in the track chair UI. <br>
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I always considered the voting process as a marketing tool for the event, a community ritual, a celebration of openstack community as a whole and not something that the selection committee should use. I find looking at votes extremely unfair to the submitters
and diminishing of the selection committee's role, too. IMO a good committee should evaluate based on quality of content relative to the objectives for that specific summit (overall focus, location), and totally ignore the popularity of their proposers (or
their employees).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I understand you had other priorities for you track, that's fair. Selections are always hard, we all had a lot more proposals than available slots. I am only
commenting on your mention of the results of the popularity contest. I wish there were clear and public guidelines on the purpose of the voting process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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