<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Doug Hellmann <<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" class="">doug@doughellmann.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Sean Dague <<a href="mailto:sean@dague.net" class="">sean@dague.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">On 08/04/2016 10:07 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On 04/08/16 09:56 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Monty Taylor <<a href="mailto:mordred@inaugust.com" class="">mordred@inaugust.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On 08/04/2016 08:05 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 4, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">flavio@redhat.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">mailto:flavio@redhat.com</a>><br class=""><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">mailto:flavio@redhat.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">mailto:flavio@redhat.com</a>>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On 04/08/16 09:46 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Morgan Fainberg wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">NOTE: Cross-posted to this list as well as the -dev list.<br class=""><br class="">Based upon my personal time demands among a number of other<br class="">reasons I<br class="">will be stepping down from the Technical Committee. This is<br class="">planned to<br class="">take effect with the next TC election so that my seat will be up<br class="">to be<br class="">filled at that time.<br class=""><br class="">For those who elected me in, thank you.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Hijacking this branch of the thread to discuss how to replace<br class="">Morgan at<br class="">next election, since our charter is a bit unclear on that.<br class=""><br class="">We have two options:<br class=""><br class="">1/ just renew 7 seats at the fall election (and 6 seats next spring)<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I'd prefer #1, tbh. I'd rather have someone elected for the entire<br class="">period than<br class="">having a temporary member that might not be re-elected on the Northern<br class="">Spring. 6<br class="">months won't likely be enough for the 7th elected member to shine and<br class="">be amazing<br class="">and it sounds unfair to me.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">While I agree that it’s less than ideal, there are a lot of situations<br class="">in which a partial term might come up, and we don’t want to rewrite the<br class="">charter every time we get into a new situation. If Morgan needed to<br class="">step<br class="">down right now, or a month or two ago, we would likely have wanted an<br class="">interim replacement earlier. We should fix up the charter to allow<br class="">that.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I agree that fixing up the charter to allow for a generalized mechanism<br class="">for member replacement is a good idea.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I believe the board has an informal replacement policy of looking back<br class="">at the last election and taking the next person down the list, don’t<br class="">they? That seems reasonable for us, too. In this case, since Morgan is<br class="">going to serve until the election, we should select the 7th from those<br class="">results to serve a half term. I think this is Thierry’s option 2,<br class="">isn’t it?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The board bylaws state that in the case a replacement individual<br class="">director is needed, the remaining individual directors will select one,<br class="">or may choose to not select a replacement. So far in the cases it has<br class="">come up, the individual directors have chosen to look at the prior<br class="">election because it seemed like a good way to go about it.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Thanks for clarifying that. I’d like to use the same system. I’m not<br class="">sure if we want to hard-code that, or use the same flexible language<br class="">and just agree on the process informally. I don’t have a strong reason<br class="">for avoiding hard-coding it, other than maintaining flexibility.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">The process sounds flexible enough, I don't think hard-coding it would<br class="">take some<br class="">flexibility away.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">I think my preference is to use the board process here. Have it formally</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">be a TC level decision so we're not springing a special election on</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">people during vacation season. And putting the election mechanism into</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">play out of rhythm when people aren't expecting it.</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">And with that TC decision, my recommendation should just look at the</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">results from the most recent election -</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a href="http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a" class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a</a><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">ask folks from the top down if it's something they are still interested in.</span><br class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Right, though Morgan has said he’ll serve through the next election, so we’d use that one this time.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Here’s some wording to work on: <a href="https://review.openstack.org/351295" class="">https://review.openstack.org/351295</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Doug</div></div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>