<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">flavio@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 04/08/16 09:05 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 4, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" class="">flavio@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On 04/08/16 09:46 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Morgan Fainberg wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">NOTE: Cross-posted to this list as well as the -dev list.<br class=""><br class="">Based upon my personal time demands among a number of other reasons I<br class="">will be stepping down from the Technical Committee. This is planned to<br class="">take effect with the next TC election so that my seat will be up to be<br class="">filled at that time.<br class=""><br class="">For those who elected me in, thank you.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Hijacking this branch of the thread to discuss how to replace Morgan at<br class="">next election, since our charter is a bit unclear on that.<br class=""><br class="">We have two options:<br class=""><br class="">1/ just renew 7 seats at the fall election (and 6 seats next spring)<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I'd prefer #1, tbh. I'd rather have someone elected for the entire period than<br class="">having a temporary member that might not be re-elected on the Northern Spring. 6<br class="">months won't likely be enough for the 7th elected member to shine and be amazing<br class="">and it sounds unfair to me.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">While I agree that it’s less than ideal, there are a lot of situations in which a partial term might come up, and we don’t want to rewrite the charter every time we get into a new situation. If Morgan needed to step down right now, or a month or two ago, we would likely have wanted an interim replacement earlier. We should fix up the charter to allow that.<br class=""><br class="">I believe the board has an informal replacement policy of looking back at the last election and taking the next person down the list, don’t they? That seems reasonable for us, too. In this case, since Morgan is going to serve until the election, we should select the 7th from those results to serve a half term. I think this is Thierry’s option 2, isn’t it?<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Yeah, that sounds like Thierry's option #2. My point is, that I'd rather have</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">someone serving for the entire year than half period. I agree this can happen</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">even in the middle of the cycle.</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Maybe I can rephrase that line in the charter so that we don't specifically say</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">the number of members that will be elected every cycle. We know the number</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">already since everyone is up to election every year.</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>If Morgan wasn’t going to serve through the next election, we might want to replace him immediately. We should agree on how we would do that.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Doug</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Flavio</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">2/ hold a normal 6-seat election in fall and give Morgan's seat for 6<br class="">months to whoever ranks 7th<br class=""><br class="">I'm fine with both, but if we do (1) we'll have to update the charter<br class="">(which explicitly says "6 seats are renewed every (Northern hemisphere)<br class="">Fall, and 7 seats are renewed every Spring"). So it may be simpler to do<br class="">(2).<br class=""><br class="">Thoughts ? I added this to the agenda for next meeting (which I'll miss).<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Put this up for the sake of voting/discussing this argument:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351104/" class="">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351104/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351104/" class="">https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351104/</a>><br class=""><br class="">Happy to help with this change,<br class="">Flavio<br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">@flaper87<br class="">Flavio Percoco<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">OpenStack-TC mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:OpenStack-TC@lists.openstack.org" class="">OpenStack-TC@lists.openstack.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:OpenStack-TC@lists.openstack.org" class="">mailto:OpenStack-TC@lists.openstack.org</a>><br class=""><a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc</a><<a href="http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc" class="">http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc</a>><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">@flaper87</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Flavio Percoco</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>