<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Doug Hellmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Doug Hellmann <<a href="mailto:doug@doughellmann.com" target="_blank">doug@doughellmann.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:15px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Sean Dague <<a href="mailto:sean@dague.net" target="_blank">sean@dague.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On 08/04/2016 10:07 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On 04/08/16 09:56 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Monty Taylor <<a href="mailto:mordred@inaugust.com" target="_blank">mordred@inaugust.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>On 08/04/2016 08:05 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 4, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Flavio Percoco <<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" target="_blank">flavio@redhat.com</a><br><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" target="_blank">mailto:flavio@redhat.com</a>><br><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" target="_blank">mailto:flavio@redhat.com</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:flavio@redhat.com" target="_blank">mai<wbr>lto:flavio@redhat.com</a>>>> wrote:<br><br>On 04/08/16 09:46 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Morgan Fainberg wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">NOTE: Cross-posted to this list as well as the -dev list.<br><br>Based upon my personal time demands among a number of other<br>reasons I<br>will be stepping down from the Technical Committee. This is<br>planned to<br>take effect with the next TC election so that my seat will be up<br>to be<br>filled at that time.<br><br>For those who elected me in, thank you.<br></blockquote><br>Hijacking this branch of the thread to discuss how to replace<br>Morgan at<br>next election, since our charter is a bit unclear on that.<br><br>We have two options:<br><br>1/ just renew 7 seats at the fall election (and 6 seats next spring)<br></blockquote><br>I'd prefer #1, tbh. I'd rather have someone elected for the entire<br>period than<br>having a temporary member that might not be re-elected on the Northern<br>Spring. 6<br>months won't likely be enough for the 7th elected member to shine and<br>be amazing<br>and it sounds unfair to me.<br></blockquote><br>While I agree that it’s less than ideal, there are a lot of situations<br>in which a partial term might come up, and we don’t want to rewrite the<br>charter every time we get into a new situation. If Morgan needed to<br>step<br>down right now, or a month or two ago, we would likely have wanted an<br>interim replacement earlier. We should fix up the charter to allow<br>that.<br></blockquote><br>I agree that fixing up the charter to allow for a generalized mechanism<br>for member replacement is a good idea.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I believe the board has an informal replacement policy of looking back<br>at the last election and taking the next person down the list, don’t<br>they? That seems reasonable for us, too. In this case, since Morgan is<br>going to serve until the election, we should select the 7th from those<br>results to serve a half term. I think this is Thierry’s option 2,<br>isn’t it?<br></blockquote><br>The board bylaws state that in the case a replacement individual<br>director is needed, the remaining individual directors will select one,<br>or may choose to not select a replacement. So far in the cases it has<br>come up, the individual directors have chosen to look at the prior<br>election because it seemed like a good way to go about it.<br></blockquote><br>Thanks for clarifying that. I’d like to use the same system. I’m not<br>sure if we want to hard-code that, or use the same flexible language<br>and just agree on the process informally. I don’t have a strong reason<br>for avoiding hard-coding it, other than maintaining flexibility.<br></blockquote><br>The process sounds flexible enough, I don't think hard-coding it would<br>take some<br>flexibility away.<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">I think my preference is to use the board process here. Have it formally</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">be a TC level decision so we're not springing a special election on</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">people during vacation season. And putting the election mechanism into</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">play out of rhythm when people aren't expecting it.</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">And with that TC decision, my recommendation should just look at the</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">results from the most recent election -</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a" style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/<wbr>cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_<wbr>fef5cc22eb3dc27a</a><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important"><span> </span>and</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">ask folks from the top down if it's something they are still interested in.</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, though Morgan has said he’ll serve through the next election, so we’d use that one this time.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>Here’s some wording to work on: <a href="https://review.openstack.org/351295" target="_blank">https://review.openstack.org/<wbr>351295</a></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Doug</div></font></span></div><div><br></div></div>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">For the record, if the general consensus is I should step down now, I'll happily do so, but in the interest of providing continuity and easing the transition (as this thread has shown) I was planning on serving through until the next election.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">--Morgan</div></div>