From zbitter at redhat.com Wed Jun 20 15:53:07 2018 From: zbitter at redhat.com (Zane Bitter) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:53:07 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] Governance dashboard Message-ID: <0296fd4b-27c8-b4d7-8c53-8b07c9c6ca5e@redhat.com> I've been using this Gerrit dashboard for governance reviews for a few weeks now, and it seems to be working out OK so I thought I would share it here in case it could help anybody else: https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=project%3Aopenstack%2Fgovernance+status%3Aopen&title=Governance+Review+Inbox&My+Proposals=owner%3Aself&Ready+for+Review=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself%29+NOT+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+OR+topic%3Aon%2Dhold+OR+label%3AVerified%3C%3D%2D1%29&Not+Reviewed=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself%29+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+OR+topic%3Aon%2Dhold+OR+label%3AVerified%3C%3D%2D1%29&Not+Voted=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself%29+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+topic%3Aformal%2Dvote&Reviewed=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself%29+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+NOT+topic%3Aformal%2Dvote%29%29&Voted=NOT+owner%3Aself+%28label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself%29 I've attached the gerrit-dash-creator file if you want to customise it. cheers, Zane. -------------- next part -------------- [dashboard] title = Governance Review Inbox description = Review Inbox foreach = project:openstack/governance status:open [section "My Proposals"] query = owner:self [section "Ready for Review"] query = NOT (owner:self OR label:Rollcall-Vote<=-1,self OR label:Rollcall-Vote>=1,self OR label:Code-Review>=1,self) NOT (label:Code-Review<=-1 OR label:Workflow<=-1 OR topic:on-hold OR label:Verified<=-1) [section "Not Reviewed"] query = NOT (owner:self OR label:Rollcall-Vote<=-1,self OR label:Rollcall-Vote>=1,self OR label:Code-Review>=1,self OR label:Code-Review<=-1,self) (label:Code-Review<=-1 OR label:Workflow<=-1 OR topic:on-hold OR label:Verified<=-1) [section "Not Voted"] query = NOT (owner:self OR label:Rollcall-Vote<=-1,self OR label:Rollcall-Vote>=1,self OR label:Code-Review<=-1,self) NOT label:Workflow<=-1 label:Code-Review>=1,self topic:formal-vote [section "Reviewed"] query = NOT (owner:self OR label:Rollcall-Vote<=-1,self OR label:Rollcall-Vote>=1,self) (label:Code-Review<=-1,self OR (label:Code-Review>=1,self NOT topic:formal-vote)) [section "Voted"] query = NOT owner:self (label:Rollcall-Vote<=-1,self OR label:Rollcall-Vote>=1,self) From doug at doughellmann.com Wed Jun 20 15:57:21 2018 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:57:21 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] Governance dashboard In-Reply-To: <0296fd4b-27c8-b4d7-8c53-8b07c9c6ca5e@redhat.com> References: <0296fd4b-27c8-b4d7-8c53-8b07c9c6ca5e@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9BFD9291-CB80-46F3-B534-0BFCF05A3228@doughellmann.com> There is a similar dashboard defined by a file in the gerrit-dash-creator repo. I haven’t studied this one closely, but it might be useful to look at merging them (or just updating the old one). > On Jun 20, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: > > I've been using this Gerrit dashboard for governance reviews for a few weeks now, and it seems to be working out OK so I thought I would share it here in case it could help anybody else: > > https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=project%3Aopenstack%2Fgovernance+status%3Aopen&title=Governance+Review+Inbox&My+Proposals=owner%3Aself&Ready+for+Review=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself%29+NOT+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+OR+topic%3Aon%2Dhold+OR+label%3AVerified%3C%3D%2D1%29&Not+Reviewed=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself%29+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+OR+topic%3Aon%2Dhold+OR+label%3AVerified%3C%3D%2D1%29&Not+Voted=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself%29+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+topic%3Aformal%2Dvote&Reviewed=NOT+%28owner%3Aself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself%29+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+%28label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D1%2Cself+NOT+topic%3Aformal%2Dvote%29%29&Voted=NOT+owner%3Aself+%28label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3C%3D%2D1%2Cself+OR+label%3ARollcall%2DVote%3E%3D1%2Cself%29 > > I've attached the gerrit-dash-creator file if you want to customise it. > > cheers, > Zane. > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc From zbitter at redhat.com Wed Jun 20 18:21:27 2018 From: zbitter at redhat.com (Zane Bitter) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:21:27 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] Governance dashboard In-Reply-To: <9BFD9291-CB80-46F3-B534-0BFCF05A3228@doughellmann.com> References: <0296fd4b-27c8-b4d7-8c53-8b07c9c6ca5e@redhat.com> <9BFD9291-CB80-46F3-B534-0BFCF05A3228@doughellmann.com> Message-ID: <1d84837f-4629-df0e-d51f-ff2af899105a@redhat.com> On 20/06/18 11:57, Doug Hellmann wrote: > There is a similar dashboard defined by a file in the gerrit-dash-creator repo. I haven’t studied this one closely, but it might be useful to look at merging them (or just updating the old one). Thanks, hadn't seen that. That said, I think they have 2 different audiences: non-TC members who just want to do code reviews, vs. TC members who also need to keep track of rollcall votes. - ZB From doug at doughellmann.com Thu Jun 21 17:05:44 2018 From: doug at doughellmann.com (Doug Hellmann) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:05:44 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG Message-ID: TC members, It does not look like there will be a face-to-face joint leadership meeting at the PTG in Denver in September. Since some of us may have already booked hotel and flights assuming there would be, before we change things around I thought I would check to see if we want to try to meet as a group that day. I think we have 3 options. 1. Meet together Sunday only 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. Also note that, in addition to those of us who may need to rebook, we have folks who have not yet booked flights, so please respond as quickly as you can with your preferences. Doug From cdent+os at anticdent.org Thu Jun 21 17:08:55 2018 From: cdent+os at anticdent.org (Chris Dent) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:08:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, Doug Hellmann wrote: > 1. Meet together Sunday only > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) My preference would be for there to be a joint leadership meeting, but assuming that's fully off the board, I'd say my preference is: 3, 1, 2. -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent tw: @anticdent From fungi at yuggoth.org Thu Jun 21 17:39:08 2018 From: fungi at yuggoth.org (Jeremy Stanley) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:39:08 +0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180621173907.d7q3742nkxzgaqju@yuggoth.org> On 2018-06-21 18:08:55 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > My preference would be for there to be a joint leadership meeting, > but assuming that's fully off the board, I'd say my preference is: > 3, 1, 2. Chris and I don't always agree, but I vote 100% the same as him on this one. ;) -- Jeremy Stanley From zbitter at redhat.com Thu Jun 21 17:39:28 2018 From: zbitter at redhat.com (Zane Bitter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:39:28 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> On 21/06/18 13:05, Doug Hellmann wrote: > TC members, > > It does not look like there will be a face-to-face joint leadership meeting at the PTG in Denver in September. Since some of us may have already booked hotel and flights assuming there would be, before we change things around I thought I would check to see if we want to try to meet as a group that day. I think we have 3 options. > > 1. Meet together Sunday only I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC members (e.g. folks who are thinking about running at the next election; PTLs who might want to raise issues), unless they can convince their employers to spring for an extra night's hotel (spoiler: they can't). > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) I'm fine with either of these and will schedule travel to suit whatever we decide. At a minimum I think it'd be great to get together on Sunday afternoon/evening. I think Doug suggested an escape room? :P > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. > > Also note that, in addition to those of us who may need to rebook, we have folks who have not yet booked flights, so please respond as quickly as you can with your preferences. > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc > From dtroyer at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 17:46:01 2018 From: dtroyer at gmail.com (Dean Troyer) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:46:01 -0500 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> References: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC members (e.g. > folks who are thinking about running at the next election; PTLs who might > want to raise issues), unless they can convince their employers to spring > for an extra night's hotel (spoiler: they can't). You forgot ex-TC-folk yearning for a simpler time :) > At a minimum I think it'd be great to get together on Sunday > afternoon/evening. I think Doug suggested an escape room? :P I thought the last session in YVR was a bit like that? Seriously, I think the 3,1,2 ordering is good, with later in the day Sunday probably working better for more to include those arriving during the day. dt -- Dean Troyer dtroyer at gmail.com From mnaser at vexxhost.com Thu Jun 21 17:50:00 2018 From: mnaser at vexxhost.com (Mohammed Naser) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi, My flight arrives early AM in Denver (yikes) on Sunday and leaving Denver around ~4-5ish PM on Saturday, making all options work for me :) Thanks, Mohammed On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: >> I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC members (e.g. >> folks who are thinking about running at the next election; PTLs who might >> want to raise issues), unless they can convince their employers to spring >> for an extra night's hotel (spoiler: they can't). > > You forgot ex-TC-folk yearning for a simpler time :) > >> At a minimum I think it'd be great to get together on Sunday >> afternoon/evening. I think Doug suggested an escape room? :P > > I thought the last session in YVR was a bit like that? > > Seriously, I think the 3,1,2 ordering is good, with later in the day > Sunday probably working better for more to include those arriving > during the day. > > dt > > -- > > Dean Troyer > dtroyer at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc -- Mohammed Naser — vexxhost ----------------------------------------------------- D. 514-316-8872 D. 800-910-1726 ext. 200 E. mnaser at vexxhost.com W. http://vexxhost.com From fungi at yuggoth.org Thu Jun 21 18:00:36 2018 From: fungi at yuggoth.org (Jeremy Stanley) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:00:36 +0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> References: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20180621180036.nv6hd3io64n5wncb@yuggoth.org> On 2018-06-21 13:39:28 -0400 (-0400), Zane Bitter wrote: > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC > members (e.g. folks who are thinking about running at the next > election; PTLs who might want to raise issues), unless they can > convince their employers to spring for an extra night's hotel > (spoiler: they can't). Agreed, I think it's suboptimal but I would at least encourage anyone who's interested in coming to attend even if they're not on the TC. The last thing I want is any sort of "closed" meeting. However, why wouldn't they be able to expense the hotel stay? It's not "extra" if it's part of everything else we've got going on. Refer to it as a "boring business meeting" instead of a conference. My main concern is venue availability. I know the PTG budget is tight and every penny of the registration fees are already going toward the existing booking. -- Jeremy Stanley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. > > Also note that, in addition to those of us who may need to rebook, we have folks who have not yet booked flights, so please respond as quickly as you can with your preferences. > I won't be able to attend sunday, but will be able to do remote. My only comment about Sunday / Friday, is on Friday at last PTG, we did have good discussions with non-TC members about subjects including trademark / tempest, python3, extend branch maintenance. If we do this only on Sunday, I fear we may lose out on some of that feedback. -Paul From sean.mcginnis at gmx.com Thu Jun 21 20:33:04 2018 From: sean.mcginnis at gmx.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:33:04 -0500 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <20180621173907.d7q3742nkxzgaqju@yuggoth.org> References: <20180621173907.d7q3742nkxzgaqju@yuggoth.org> Message-ID: <20180621203304.GA17928@sm-workstation> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 05:39:08PM +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2018-06-21 18:08:55 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > > > My preference would be for there to be a joint leadership meeting, > > but assuming that's fully off the board, I'd say my preference is: > > 3, 1, 2. > > Chris and I don't always agree, but I vote 100% the same as him on > this one. ;) Raise that to 200%. From fungi at yuggoth.org Thu Jun 21 21:37:38 2018 From: fungi at yuggoth.org (Jeremy Stanley) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:37:38 +0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <20180621180036.nv6hd3io64n5wncb@yuggoth.org> References: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> <20180621180036.nv6hd3io64n5wncb@yuggoth.org> Message-ID: <20180621213738.t2d3i3bt57yqrbx2@yuggoth.org> On 2018-06-21 18:00:36 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2018-06-21 13:39:28 -0400 (-0400), Zane Bitter wrote: > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > > I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC > > members (e.g. folks who are thinking about running at the next > > election; PTLs who might want to raise issues), unless they can > > convince their employers to spring for an extra night's hotel > > (spoiler: they can't). > > Agreed, I think it's suboptimal but I would at least encourage > anyone who's interested in coming to attend even if they're not on > the TC. The last thing I want is any sort of "closed" meeting. > However, why wouldn't they be able to expense the hotel stay? It's > not "extra" if it's part of everything else we've got going on. > Refer to it as a "boring business meeting" instead of a conference. [...] I should clarify, as this was misinterpreted and turned into a somewhat protracted discussion in IRC: I'm in favor of meeting on Sunday (independent of whether or not we meet on Friday too) _only_ because it's at least slightly more community-friendly than instead meeting up at a time and place entirely disconnected from OpenStack community events (context from other discussions the TC was having last week about other opportunities to formally meet in person). -- Jeremy Stanley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. I'd like to propose a variant of the popular (3) option: (3bis) Meet on Sunday afternoon (maximizing the number of "outside" people that can join if interested), and all day Friday as originally planned. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) From davanum at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 10:21:26 2018 From: davanum at gmail.com (Davanum Srinivas) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 06:21:26 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:41 AM Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Doug Hellmann wrote: > > TC members, > > > > It does not look like there will be a face-to-face joint leadership meeting at the PTG in Denver in September. Since some of us may have already booked hotel and flights assuming there would be, before we change things around I thought I would check to see if we want to try to meet as a group that day. I think we have 3 options. > > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > > > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. > > I'd like to propose a variant of the popular (3) option: +1 to (3bis) below. Will help me catch an early flight on Sun > (3bis) Meet on Sunday afternoon (maximizing the number of "outside" > people that can join if interested), and all day Friday as originally > planned. > > -- > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims From sean.mcginnis at gmx.com Fri Jun 22 12:50:30 2018 From: sean.mcginnis at gmx.com (Sean McGinnis) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 07:50:30 -0500 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180622125029.GA28811@sm-workstation> > > > > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > > > > > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in trying to find one if no one will be there. > > > > I'd like to propose a variant of the popular (3) option: > > +1 to (3bis) below. Will help me catch an early flight on Sun > > > (3bis) Meet on Sunday afternoon (maximizing the number of "outside" > > people that can join if interested), and all day Friday as originally > > planned. > > Either of the 3's would work for me. I do have a preference for the original proposal, just because that could potentially free up some time later in the week when I usually end up needing to prioritize several different competing things. But definite advantage with 3bis for those that would have difficulty getting their a day earlier. From juliaashleykreger at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 14:08:20 2018 From: juliaashleykreger at gmail.com (Julia Kreger) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 22:08:20 +0800 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe option 3 would be best. In that we wukl have time to synchronize then. If we reserve discussions of actions to be taken, and keep copious notes for context on Sunday... Then I think we will be mosr effectively using time. On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 18:22 Davanum Srinivas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:41 AM Thierry Carrez > wrote: > > > > Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > TC members, > > > > > > It does not look like there will be a face-to-face joint leadership > meeting at the PTG in Denver in September. Since some of us may have > already booked hotel and flights assuming there would be, before we change > things around I thought I would check to see if we want to try to meet as a > group that day. I think we have 3 options. > > > > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as > originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > > > > > Note, we do not yet have a room to meet, but there’s no sense in > trying to find one if no one will be there. > > > > I'd like to propose a variant of the popular (3) option: > > +1 to (3bis) below. Will help me catch an early flight on Sun > > > (3bis) Meet on Sunday afternoon (maximizing the number of "outside" > > people that can join if interested), and all day Friday as originally > > planned. > > > > -- > > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenStack-TC mailing list > > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc > > > > -- > Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fungi at yuggoth.org Fri Jun 22 14:53:07 2018 From: fungi at yuggoth.org (Jeremy Stanley) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:53:07 +0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180622145307.52x3lfctplewm5oj@yuggoth.org> On 2018-06-22 10:40:23 +0200 (+0200), Thierry Carrez wrote: > Doug Hellmann wrote: [...] > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as > > originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) [...] > (3bis) Meet on Sunday afternoon (maximizing the number of > "outside" people that can join if interested), and all day Friday > as originally planned. I like 3bis slightly more, and agreeing with Zane's points about 1 being not as community-friendly as 2 my revised preferential order is now 3bis, 3, 2, 1. -- Jeremy Stanley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 963 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zbitter at redhat.com Fri Jun 22 15:26:21 2018 From: zbitter at redhat.com (Zane Bitter) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:26:21 -0400 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <20180622145307.52x3lfctplewm5oj@yuggoth.org> References: <20180622145307.52x3lfctplewm5oj@yuggoth.org> Message-ID: <35851538-0cd5-c6e2-c3f2-d658e6f2db59@redhat.com> On 22/06/18 10:53, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > my revised preferential order > is now 3bis, 3, 2, 1. +1 From mrhillsman at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 21:28:20 2018 From: mrhillsman at gmail.com (Melvin Hillsman) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:28:20 -0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <20180621203304.GA17928@sm-workstation> References: <20180621173907.d7q3742nkxzgaqju@yuggoth.org> <20180621203304.GA17928@sm-workstation> Message-ID: Though I am not on the TC I plan to attend the meeting and also opted to arrive before Sunday in case there was a joint meeting so as a non-TC attendee Sunday or Friday works; at least for me :) On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Sean McGinnis wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 05:39:08PM +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2018-06-21 18:08:55 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > > 2. Meet together Friday as originally planned > > > > 3. Meet together Sunday and at least part of the day Friday as > originally planned (probably only Friday afternoon) > > > > > > My preference would be for there to be a joint leadership meeting, > > > but assuming that's fully off the board, I'd say my preference is: > > > 3, 1, 2. > > > > Chris and I don't always agree, but I vote 100% the same as him on > > this one. ;) > > Raise that to 200%. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc > -- Kind regards, Melvin Hillsman mrhillsman at gmail.com mobile: (832) 264-2646 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eglynn at redhat.com Fri Jun 22 05:07:47 2018 From: eglynn at redhat.com (Eoghan Glynn) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 05:07:47 -0000 Subject: [openstack-tc] TC meeting before the PTG In-Reply-To: <20180621180036.nv6hd3io64n5wncb@yuggoth.org> References: <6e17f0f8-ae4c-78d3-d4e0-246e12eda802@redhat.com> <20180621180036.nv6hd3io64n5wncb@yuggoth.org> Message-ID: On Thu 21 Jun 2018, 7:01 PM Jeremy Stanley, wrote: > On 2018-06-21 13:39:28 -0400 (-0400), Zane Bitter wrote: > > > 1. Meet together Sunday only > > > > I'm not a fan of this, because it effectively excludes non TC > > members (e.g. folks who are thinking about running at the next > > election; PTLs who might want to raise issues), unless they can > > convince their employers to spring for an extra night's hotel > > (spoiler: they can't). > > Agreed, I think it's suboptimal but I would at least encourage > anyone who's interested in coming to attend even if they're not on > the TC. The last thing I want is any sort of "closed" meeting. > However, why wouldn't they be able to expense the hotel stay? It's > not "extra" if it's part of everything else we've got going on. > Refer to it as a "boring business meeting" instead of a conference. > Because employers work from limited travel budgets, especially when sending a large delegation to the PTG. If we add a day to the conference duration, costs go up, so the number of people who can be funded from a fixed budget goes down. Cheers, Eoghan My main concern is venue availability. I know the PTG budget is > tight and every penny of the registration fees are already going > toward the existing booking. > -- > Jeremy Stanley > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-TC mailing list > OpenStack-TC at lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: